[PGT] Detroit 8 Calgary 2

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As Deluxe said, pretty small sample size to be making these types of assertions.

According to NHL.com his SV% is .857 on the season, which includes this nightmare game where he got hung out to dry and less than a full game’s worth of work outside of it. Definitely not in the “concerned” zone yet, he was fine the game previous.

.857 was before this game, he's at .813 now. I have a hard time blaming Lack given no playing time in pre season or the season so far, but man, you need to make some saves.

[JJFlash]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I defer to Gully's comments

Which was he supposed to save?

I don't think it is so much a matter of which ones he could save as much as he was not tracking pucks that were deflected or trying hard enough to work through screens. I was hoping Gillies would make a statement but I did not see it.

[jd456]

Kind of random, but did anyone else notice in the Sportsnet clip that when Hamonic fell through the door, Monahan of all people looked like he was going to jump on the ice and Lazar and Brouwer grabbed him?

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by blender

It's natural to look for a scapegoat after a game like this.
Coach didn't have them ready, goalie was in poor form, coach doesn't pull said goalie soon enough, Brodie was awful, refs are awful... all true and valid criticisms; pick any one you want, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
There can be no singular reason for an outcome like that. Best to move past it and not look too hard for any one reason. Plenty of blame to go around. Gulutzan is 100% correct to lay it at the feet of the team as a whole.

I agree with your post. But as fans of this team, who want them to win and be successful more than anything, we must also be objective. And when I (try to) do that I have to admit there is nothing I have seen that gives me any confidence that this team can win games without Smith in net.

I think it is a huge problem. I think making excuses for it is head in the sand stuff. Fact is we’ve had, for the most part, veznina nom goaltending so far this season. When we don’t get it, our soft transition and own zone d worry the #### out of me.

Our D needs to be better. Collectively. But Brodie and Hamonic are not great defenders. Brodie is way too cavalier. Hamonic just makes bad decisions.

This D doesn’t tighten up defensively we are in trouble. With a minor Smith regression or, god forbid, a slight regression (say to sub .920 for a stretch) we are in trouble.

Gotta be evaluating all the time. See the forest for the trees. The trees are 10-8 with godlike goaltending. The forest looks doable but ominous to me right now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is a reason this was his second start of the season and both were terrible

He has made one big save in three games

Yeah, Smith has been very good, and they have had a weird schedule

But tonight
1. How'd the team do in front of him?
2. Which was he supposed to stop and why?

I mean really... Brodie's own goal, sticks lifted giving a point blank shot with time and space and also a flyby from Z's ass... come on. Versteeg just fell down for goodness sake leading to an odd man rush with plenty of time and space.

Lack wasn't terrible, the Flames were. Not normal play in front of him so he shouldn't be judged on normal metrics without context.

That's all.

[Huntingwhale]

Spoiler!

Bad bad game. Just bad.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No.

His biggest role is to coach. To get them playing a certain way, a way that (ideally) wins you games.

If an adult at the very top of his profession needs someone to get him “ready to play” when it’s time to go out there and do your job, then that adult should just stay the #### home.

Weird I thought "coaching" and having the team ready were basically same thing....are you speaking a different kind of English than the rest of us?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is a reason this was his second start of the season and both were terrible

He has made one big save in three games

He wasn't terrible in his first start. I felt it was acceptable backup goaltending. Nothing to cheer about, but okay-behind-a-good-team kind of okay.

That said, even a backup goalie needs to be able to steal some games over the season at the NHL level. The variation needs to be between great and poor, not okay and poor.

[dino7c]

The team needing to upgrade on Lack is certainly not based on this game alone

Why sign a guy you are terrified to play?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by JJFlash

I don't think it is so much a matter of which ones he could save as much as he was not tracking pucks that were deflected or trying hard enough to work through screens. I was hoping Gillies would make a statement but I did not see it.

Gillies could have made this statement. "My team is flat"

[stone hands]

brodie has been a real frustrating player this last year would be the statement that sums this game up for me

[Toonage]

I think the truth about Lack's game tonight falls somewhere in the middle. The team wasn't very good tonight and neither was he.

As for Brodie, this isn't the first time we've talked about a bad game of his out east in front of his family.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by camm13

GG is absolutely horrible at adjusting during a game.

You pull a goalie whose looking shaky at goal number 3, not 5. You also pull a goalie in hopes of some sort of spark on the team.

Brodie had an absolutely atrocious night.. after -4, you continue to put him on the first line pp, where he continued to lose the puck and could not gain entry. Also get Versteeg off the pp, he's soft as butter and loses the puck constantly. The only main contributors right now on the pp are Gaudreau/Monny/Ferly. Get Gio and Hamilton on the first unit. Hamilton is your most offensive D, yet he sees basically no pp time.

Change up the PK, I would rather see Kulak on there instead of stone. Janko/Lazar? Get some young legs in there who can keep up in there.

Yes he is, but I'm not sure if Lack looked "shaky" on the first 3 goals. May be the reason GG didn't pull Lack was because he didn't think it was Lack's fault? But I agree 100% on not benching Brodie a little bit when it's pretty obvious that he wasn't playing well.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, Smith has been very good, and they have had a weird schedule

But tonight
1. How'd the team do in front of him?
2. Which was he supposed to stop and why?

I mean really... Brodie's own goal, sticks lifted giving a point blank shot with time and space and also a flyby from Z's ass... come on. Versteeg just fell down for goodness sake leading to an odd man rush with plenty of time and space.

Lack wasn't terrible, the Flames were. Not normal play in front of him so he shouldn't be judged on normal metrics without context.

That's all.

Goals 3-5. Smith saves those. And brand new game with us controlling the play. You can make excuses for all of them. Sure. But big saves there (which we get from Smith) changes that game.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I think he’s had too many concussions and is living in an alternate reality.

He acted like he's on a combination of roids and PCP tonight.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Itse

No, did I say something like that?

Yeah Witkowski was just raging all over the place, but he's a plug and I don't agree with Tkachuk that he wasn't going away. Yeah he was taking his time, but Tkachuk clearly goes right at him to piss him off further, and that's a big reason how the whole thing escalated from one fight to a mess of a brawl.

Not that I'm terribly upset about it or anything. I just felt it was unnecessary and might have unfortunate (obviously un-intended) side-effects.

That said:
That attitude / behavior is however part of Tkachuks game, and generally I love him being the way he is. Just here it probably would have been better to just let it go.

I couldn’t disagree more. We just watched a team play the entire game with the snooze button on. I’m glad he stirred #### up and I hope the boy go into the next game mad and more prepared. Nothing worse then getting blown out and having the whole team sleeping.

[Galakanokis]

How do you lay any of the first three goals on Lack? He had zero chance. If the next one was point blank with a ridiculous amount of time. Brutal D from the Flames with a big chunk of bad luck. I feel bad for Lack honestly, Flames have been brutal in front of him.


Still no idea where the spearing was, I cannot see it. I think Tkachuk's reputation bit him in the ass there.

The next, I really really hope there is a next game against Detroit is going to be a beauty.

Calgary better learn from this and come out angry next game.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The team needing to upgrade on Lack is certainly not based on this game alone

Why sign a guy you are terrified to play?

I think it's two different things. Smith was insanely hot out of the gate, was the #1, and the schedule has been lumpy to allow an unbalanced workload.

Not being terrified to play Lack.

But... if this is how the team expects to play in front of Lack, everyone should be terrified

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Itse

He wasn't terrible in his first start. I felt it was acceptable backup goaltending. Nothing to cheer about, but okay-behind-a-good-team kind of okay.

That said, even a backup goalie needs to be able to steal some games over the season at the NHL level. The variation needs to be between great and poor, not okay and poor.

He wasn’t good either. C- D- tonight. We get crushed both games.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by AC

I can't see him throwing any punches in the SNET replay.

Looks like he grabs at Ericsson, but the linesman immediately stops Ferland from doing anything further.

He didn't throw any punches.

If you look closely Jager is holding Felands right arm.
He had it locked and loaded but as soon as Feland got to the end of the bench Jager grabbed him

Garland went to throw a punch but the G.O.A.t grabbed a hold of him.