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[1_Flames_Fan]

Jagr will save us

[Beninho]

There is no way Stajan and Brouwer will get sent down, and that's a ####ing travesty. Stajan expired 2 years ago. Versteeg pretty much is offering nothing right now as well, gets the puck, handles it stationary and then passes it to no one or shoots it into the goalie. Brouwer on the PP is so absurd it's funny, basically throwing a guy out there who cant do anything with the puck, he's just there to take up space. Sad.

[flambers]

Flames are really lucky their number 1 goalie has been great this year...

Record could be really really ugly...

Special teams are ice cold

Offense is none existent.

[Groot]

Frustrating to see...again. This could make for a very long season, and I'm still optimistic as I strongly feel the right pieces are there, they just aren't being assembled in the proper way.

I'm on my final bit of patience with GG. Beyond that, the lines need to be shuffled significantly, sorry 3M line and JG/SM, as good as you are together gotta find a better top to bottom fit for the team. Since we have to stop the snowball, why not really mix it up and see if we can trigger results? Is it gonna lead to worse results then now? If so then mix it up again, something has to work with these players.

(These aren't lines 1-4, just combos I think should be at least tried)

Tkachuk - Monahan - Frolik
Gaudreau - Jankowski - Bennett
Hathaway - Backlund - Mangiapane
Ferland - Hamilton - Lazar

Stajan, Brouwer

Waive Glass. When Jagr comes back plenty of options for him to slot into.

I don't even know what to do on the PP/PK but neither does this coaching staff.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Seems like so many teams have room for young guys in third and 4th line roles but the Flames trade away 2nd rounders for other teams garbage.

Who are you referring to out of curiosity?

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No he really isn't. The over rating of Treliving continues.

Great GMs don't send down players who deserve to be in the NHL because they made stupid signings.

They also don't sign useless players like Grossman and Glass off a PTO.

And they definitely don't sign a small weak pp specialist useless 5 on 5 player and then re-sign him again.

So suppose Gulutzan is the one liking these PTOs out of camp and requesting for Treliving to sign them so he can use them throughout the season, Gulutzan is the one who decides who plays each night after all and dictates how much everyone plays. If you're Treliving, do you listen to your coach if he wants these kind of players in his lineup? I'm just speaking hypothetically because what if it is Gully wanting these guys on his team.

[midniteowl]

[Quote:Originally Posted by memphusk ] The worst part will be when they fire Glen and Cameron takes his spot. When I take my kids to the game in January and this #### is still going on they will learn a new vocabulary[/quote]



That's what I'm afraid of as well, they need to clean house, fire the whole coaching staff

[quote:MisterJoji] Bennett didn’t look like garbage when we had Hartley coaching. Not trying to say he should be rough back but GG is ruining Sam.[/quote]


The worst case scenario will be they trade Bennett pennies on the dollars and then they fire the coaching staff. It's Savard all over again.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Who are you referring to out of curiosity?

Oh, I can answer this one, because the trade puzzled me. Lazar.

[skcli]

I wonder if the team will call a close door meeting tomorrow. This performance is shameful, and totally unacceptable

[RT14]

I am not surprised by the overly negative reactions but I do believe this team is built well and believe Gulutzan is a good coach. I don’t agree with some of the line combinations and decisions I’ve seen, but we’re not privy to the insights and you can’t deny that once they bought into the system and got on same page last year, they were an impressive team. For whatever reason, they’re struggling to get to same page this year but it will come.

I’m not going to pretend I know what’s going on and state things as fact as so many do but here’s some theories;
1) Adding Jagr, as much as it could be great, has created a situation where the you g guys who were coming into their own are now second guessing themselves and throwing their confidence off because Jagr has shared what worked for him and suggested what they should try to do. Not only that, anyone on Jagr’s line is too focused on getting the puck to him and not leaving their vision open to the bigger picture.

2) Other new additions (Hamonic, Jankowski) are still trying to mould their game to fit their linemates instead of doing what has given them success up until now and letting coach decide what linemates work best for them.

3) Players are so focused on trying to do what coach is preaching, they’re not taking advantage of their natural instincts and abilities. Once they figure out a way to blend both together, the goals will come and the defense will strengthen.

There’s so many more things that can lead to where we’re at and how we’re playing but I do think the answer is in the dressing room and the coach is not to blame for guys not forming chemistry (although as an outsider I do question some of the decisions). This is a solid team with depth to spare. If they can get on the same page, it is built for a long playoff run.

[stone hands]

You're right, Bennett didn't look like crap when Hartley was coaching....

The entire team did

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Who are you referring to out of curiosity?

Lazar. He's garbage and will be on waivers and nobody will take him for free.

[dino7c]

A goal here and there from the bottom six would make all the difference...they are all close games

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by dino7c

A goal here and there from the bottom six would make all the difference...they are all close games

Or a PP goal. God that would be nice.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This game alone wouldn't be a big deal...we have just seen it too many times

Basically why people are picking this one to unload.

One of those no excuse nights where everything was in their favour, coach called them out and they completely laid down for it..

As a fan you can only throw your hands up after that.

[calgaryblood]

And I totally forgot Treliving waived Byron as well when he was a great PKer and energy player.

Guess he needed to make room for his up and coming useless signings.

[Bourque's Twin]

This team showed so much when Hartley was the coach. He wins the Jack Adams then Hillr and Ramo crap the bed. I think Burke and Tre fired him just so they could completely move on from Feaster, and it's unfortunate.

Hartley had Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano, Brodie, Bennett, and Ferland playing their best. None of those players have looked the same since he left. I know Monahan and Gaudreau have had good point production this season, but you can't say that they're dominating games like they used to under Hartley. Giordano is simply an amazing player but his point production is way down. Brodie, Bennett and Ferland are not even remotely the same players they once were.

[dino7c]

Hartley's last season in Calgary didn't go so well...that is why he was fired

[Jore]

tyler dellow tweeted the possession stats for the defense:

Spoiler!

the problem is so obvious, and can probably be fixed easily, but also shows poor decision making from both the gm (acquiring and retaining bartkowski and stone) and the coach (the ice time difference of less than 5 minutes a game between bartkowski and giordano). we have so many better options than players like stajan, bartkowski, brouwer, glass, and probably even stone (andersson is lighting the ahl up) and yet they insist on filling the roster with these players year after year.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know how many Flames fans have realized that this team is extremely slim on quality skilled forwards in the system and has one pick in the first two rounds of the next two drafts. One pick! Management has gone all in on this group. That's frightening.

Yes but they have quality D and goalie prospects in pipeline. I really believe, from listening to interviews in the summer, that the GM and coaching staff thought Bennet was going to have a break out year ( year not over yet). The top 2 lines are doing what they should. If Bennet had a break out year like they thought, then not only would the 3rd line be contributing , it would also mean less minutes for the 4th line.