[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Leon Draisaitl
David Pastrnak
Nikolaj Ehlers
Aaron Ekblad
William Nylander
Sam Reinhart
Robby Fabbri
Viktor Arvidsson
Dylan Larkin
Nick Ritchie

Bennett is below all these players imo. Until he proves otherwise he was a poor pick in hindsight. Stop the excuses and #freejanko

What the hell kind of logic is this?

A 21 year-old-player has not produced as some other 21-year-old players.

Therefore, let's call up a different 23-year-old player.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Leon Draisaitl
David Pastrnak
Nikolaj Ehlers
Aaron Ekblad
William Nylander
Sam Reinhart
Robby Fabbri
Viktor Arvidsson
Dylan Larkin
Nick Ritchie

Bennett is below all these players imo. Until he proves otherwise he was a poor pick in hindsight. Stop the excuses and #freejanko

Draisaitl, Reinhart and Ekblad = all drafted ahead of Bennett, no chance to get them anyway. Reinhart not clearly better than Bennett, that one is up for debate.

Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander = better so far, but wingers are less valuable than centres. Nylander is a winger now, until he gets a long stretch at C.

Larkin was a surprise, but I expect Bennett's trajectory to vault him over long term. Has shown more to date though.

Fabbri, Ritchie, Arvidsson = not better, you are reaching to make your list so big to continue to labour your point.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why would I want that?

to help you engage the discussion substantively?

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

What the hell kind of logic is this?

A 21 year-old-player has not produced as some other 21-year-old players.

Therefore, let's call up a different 23-year-old player.

I don't think his point was age related. I think it was more to do with how Bennett has performed relative to other players that were available at the time.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Draisaitl, Reinhart and Ekblad = all drafted ahead of Bennett, no chance to get them anyway. Reinhart not clearly better than Bennett, that one is up for debate.

Ehlers, Pastrnak, Nylander = better so far, but wingers are less valuable than centres. Nylander is a winger now, until he gets a long stretch at C.

Fabbri, Ritchie, Arvidsson = not better, you are reaching to make your list so big to continue to labour your point.

Arvidsson is a 30 goal winger, Ritchie has had a better statistical season then Bennett last year playing 4 less games, Fabbri had 37 pts in his rookie year and had 29 in 51 before being injured last season. Yes he out produced Bennett playing 51 games. Ehlers, Pastrnak, and Nylander are better, all have shown a much better ability to score goals regardless of position.

[Duffalufagus]

are people in here seriously questioning whether Bennett is bust compared to other players in his draft class? that is undeniable. take the homer glasses off, people.

[Kovaz]

I seem to recall another young player, that, at the age of 21, started off the season looking out-of-place when he didn't have a point in his first 5 games. He got bumped down the depth chart and even healthy scratched for a game, and there was a lot of talk that we should send him to the AHL because he just wasn't ready. And all that as a winger, too.

Then he scored 203 points in his next 225 games and signed a $6.75M contract as our best offensive player.

Bennett, right now, is about a month older than Gaudreau was when he started his rookie season.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Leon Draisaitl
David Pastrnak
Nikolaj Ehlers
Aaron Ekblad
William Nylander
Sam Reinhart
Robby Fabbri
Viktor Arvidsson
Dylan Larkin
Nick Ritchie

Bennett is below all these players imo. Until he proves otherwise he was a poor pick in hindsight. Stop the excuses and #freejanko

Players taken before bennett:
Leon Draisaitl - plays with Mcdavid
Aaron Ekblad - picked 1st overall
Sam Reinhart - plays with Okposo and O'Rielly

Players who are not obviously better:
Robby Fabbri
Dylan Larkin
Viktor Arvidsson
Nick Ritchie

Players picked below Bennett who are clearly outperforming him
David Pastrnak (25th overall) - plays with Krejci
Nikolaj Ehlers (8th overall) - plays with Little and Laine
William Nylander (9th overall) - plays with Matthews

Bottom line: your analysis is really silly. Jury on Bennett remains out. All it proves is that Bennett can't produce without good linemates. But the ONLY player in this draft that has proven he can do this right now is Ekblad!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Fabbri, Ritchie, Arvidsson = not better, you are reaching to make your list so big to continue to labour your point.

Arvidsson is coming off a 61 point season, leading his team, where he went to the Stanley Cup Finals and was only behind Forsberg for points by a forward in the playoffs for Nashville...

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Players who are not obviously better:
Viktor Arvidsson

Lol.

I mean he was a fourth round overager, but he's clearly and undeniably better than Bennett at this point. There's simply no argument to be made that he isn't.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

I seem to recall another young player, that, at the age of 21, started off the season looking out-of-place when he didn't have a point in his first 5 games. He got bumped down the depth chart and even healthy scratched for a game, and there was a lot of talk that we should send him to the AHL because he just wasn't ready. And all that as a winger, too.

Then he scored 203 points in his next 225 games and signed a $6.75M contract as our best offensive player.

Bennett, right now, is about a month older than Gaudreau was when he started his rookie season.

Ohh give me a break, Johnny also showed elite level skill at the world championships and led USA to a gold WJC medal. They aren't comparable at all and he was also picked 104 not no.4

[Duffalufagus]

Back to the topic at hand...I think Janko needs and deserves to be on the big club. I would bet dinner anywhere in the city that he outproduces Bennett in the same number of games played. I pick the wine though...

[GioforPM]

Griffin Reinhart, Thomas Hickey, Puljujarvi are all far worse 4th overall picks.

A lot of stretches from that dumb list ( three of whom went ahead of Bennett anyway). Ritchie, Reinhart, Fabbri, Arviddson are not demonstrably better than Bennett and to the extent they have a few more points, have in many cases had more PP time, and more ice time in general, because their teams weren't as deep at their position.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

I don't think his point was age related. I think it was more to do with how Bennett has performed relative to other players that were available at the time.

Like Ekblad? Fail.

[nightfx]

Arvidsson is really good, he plays like how we all want Bennett to play like despite being much shorter.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Players taken before bennett:
Leon Draisaitl - plays with Mcdavid
Aaron Ekblad - picked 1st overall
Sam Reinhart - plays with Okposo and O'Rielly

Players who are not obviously better:
Robby Fabbri
Dylan Larkin
Viktor Arvidsson
Nick Ritchie

Players picked below Bennett who are clearly outperforming him
David Pastrnak (25th overall) - plays with Krejci
Nikolaj Ehlers (8th overall) - plays with Little and Laine
William Nylander (9th overall) - plays with Matthews

Bottom line: your analysis is really silly. Jury on Bennett remains out. All it proves is that Bennett can't produce without good linemates. But the ONLY player in this draft that has proven he can do this right now is Ekblad!

really stretching here. it is not the player's fault...it is everyone around him! sounds like an HR nightmare.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ritchie, Reinhart, Fabbri, Arviddson are not demonstrably better than Bennett and to the extent they have a few more points.

Is there a different Arviddson that people are getting confused with?

Last season Arviddson had more goals than Bennett had points. 61 points in 80 games. Not a single Flames player outscored him. He's better than Bennett. What the hell am I reading?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Back to the topic at hand...I think Janko needs and deserves to be on the big club. I would bet dinner anywhere in the city that he outproduces Bennett in the same number of games played. I pick the wine though...

If I get to pick the number of games, sure.

[Duffalufagus]

when your argument depends on a number of subjective qualifications, it is not very persuasive.

"The reason Bennett hasn't been better is A, B, C, D, and E." None of which relate to the player's own performance. Weak sauce.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Leon Draisaitl
David Pastrnak
Nikolaj Ehlers
Aaron Ekblad
William Nylander
Sam Reinhart
Robby Fabbri
Viktor Arvidsson
Dylan Larkin
Nick Ritchie

Bennett is below all these players imo. Until he proves otherwise he was a poor pick in hindsight. Stop the excuses and #freejanko

This is the situation where you can call him a dissapointing pick but not a poor pick that can be blamed on the Flames IMO.

He was a consensus top 5 pick before the draft and the Flames took him at 4. Draisaitl, Ekblad, and Reinhart were drafted before him so they were never in consideration.

The arguement could be made for Ehlers and Nylander since they were also ranked in the top 10 and had the Flames drafted on of them it would have been still in the reasonable range but for the most part I feel like the Flames would have been heavily criticized if they took one of those two over Bennett.

Pastrnak, Arvidsson, & Larkin are better right now but were never going to be considered with a top 4 pick. You can't really fault the Flames for not drafting those guys since it is their development post draft that was strong.

Fabbri and Ritchie aren't any better than Bennett IMO so not sure why they are even on the list.

Really the best way to judge a draft pick (especially in the first round - it's muddier later on) is to look at the 5 picks right after where your player was selected - since those are likely the players who would have been in consideration where you picked.

For Bennett that would have been - Dal Colle, Virtanen, Fleury, Nylander, Ehlers. Bennett is better than the first 3 IMO but Nylander and Ehlers would both look real good on the top line with Johnny and Mony right now. Especially since it looks like we have center depth to overcome losing Bennett with Mony, Backlund, and Janko.

[Beninho]

Besides all the Bennett bashing I've done i hope nothing but the best for him and I hope I get to eat crow. Just wish that Janko would be given a fair chance at the #3 center position, a position in which Bennett has not shown to be that great at.

I'm also not bashing the Flames for taking Bennett because hindsight is 20/20, just showing that Bennett should not be getting a free pass considering he's being out produced by many other players in his draft class.