10-07-2017, 03:27 PM
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#3201
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751
Pretty sure he'll never release that list because I'd bet anything you'd find the Calgary Flames on it.
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I too would expect people to donate to the person that campaigns in their interests.
The only thing I can agree with Smith on is not releasing his list of donor as doing so would most certainly give rise to a witchhunt.
Last edited by CampbellsTransgressions; 10-07-2017 at 03:30 PM.
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10-07-2017, 03:31 PM
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#3202
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North of the River, South of the Bluff
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
OK, say you are right in your assumption that it was all a giant smokescreen.
What was their plan then?
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It wasn’t a smokescreen, it potentially was a hail mary. They wanted CalgaryNEXT but either didn’t want to put the time in to do it professionally, or didn’t know how. I think I have come to the realization they didn’t know how.
Honestly I think they thought Calgary was going to cream themselves at the mere mention of the project. When the obvious questions came flying on roads they said “don’t worry man” and thought it would be good enough. Then the remediation questions, more “don’t worry”
It was ill concieved and ill executed. Them side stepping the city was amateur, but they thought the will of the people would over ride good city governance. That never came. It was a total blunder and set us on the path we have today.
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10-07-2017, 04:25 PM
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#3203
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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I don't think CalgaryNEXT was any sort of nefarious ploy or smokescreen. I think it was just a badly executed project lead by a guy with zero development experience.
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10-07-2017, 04:34 PM
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#3204
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Franchise Player
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Never attribute to malice that which is explained by incompetence.
Incompetence explains an awful lot of this.
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10-07-2017, 04:35 PM
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#3205
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
I don't think CalgaryNEXT was any sort of nefarious ploy or smokescreen. I think it was just a badly executed project lead by a guy with zero development experience.
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I don't know what his role was or how long he was there but King had a stint with Walton Developments
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10-07-2017, 05:22 PM
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#3206
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Halifax, NS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Never attribute to malice that which is explained by incompetence.
Incompetence explains an awful lot of this.
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Hanlon's razor perfectly explains what CSEC has been doing.
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10-07-2017, 05:58 PM
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#3207
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First Line Centre
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As somebody with absolutely no development background, what was terrible about CalgaryNEXT?
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10-07-2017, 06:01 PM
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#3208
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern
As somebody with absolutely no development background, what was terrible about CalgaryNEXT?
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How much time do you have?
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10-07-2017, 06:30 PM
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#3209
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesNation23
How much time do you have?
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Haha, honestly I have been ignoring this whole arena discussion as I don't live in the city and it all just sounds depressing. Nvm
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10-07-2017, 06:52 PM
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#3210
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Whether it's incompetence or 26 dimensional checkers, I'm not especially impressed by the way Ken King and Murray Edwards have been jerking people in this city around.
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10-07-2017, 07:33 PM
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#3211
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't know how anyone can argue that the Flames put their best proposal forward in 2015 when even they updated the renderings to look significantly different from what was originally presented.
Here are the original renderings from 2015, which look like someone dropped a George Foreman Grill next to Bow Trail and called it a day: http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hock...a-stadium-plan
Here are the updated renderings from 2016: http://dailyhive.com/calgary/calgary...cost-city-hall
These look much nicer. The stadium actually looks like it would be a nice place to watch a game. The public-access space built over top of Bow Trail opens up the river front nicely.
I wonder how different the public reception would have been in 2015 if they had shown us the 2016 renderings then?
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10-08-2017, 09:06 AM
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#3212
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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So I wasn't at the Dome last night, but saw that these were apparently on the screens there. Curious timing, same day the Globe story breaks.
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10-08-2017, 09:16 AM
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#3213
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Well at least they're done talking about it, right?
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10-08-2017, 10:12 AM
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#3214
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Lifetime Suspension
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They're done talking about it and the Flames are not involved in politics!
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10-08-2017, 10:14 AM
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#3215
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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"We're not getting involved in politics." - Ken King
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10-08-2017, 10:14 AM
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#3216
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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That Nenshi is so arrogant!
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10-08-2017, 10:15 AM
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#3217
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
That Nenshi is so arrogant!
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Many sides.. both sides.
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10-08-2017, 10:17 AM
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#3218
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Franchise Player
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I saw that at the game and thought paying for advertising at a flames game is going to rock the boat with some.
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10-08-2017, 01:05 PM
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#3219
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 555 Saddledome Rise SE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern
As somebody with absolutely no development background, what was terrible about CalgaryNEXT?
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Indoor football.
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10-08-2017, 01:11 PM
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#3220
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern
Haha, honestly I have been ignoring this whole arena discussion as I don't live in the city and it all just sounds depressing. Nvm
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The main problem was cost it required 850 million of public investment into the arena plus 200 million in west village infrastructure. The CRL areas was not sufficient to recover the public cost and there was no real good way to build an arena district in the region. It's also created a dead zone between the back of the building and the riverbank and didn't solve the Bow trail alignment issues and prevented some of the solutions.
Running the numbers it would have been better to build an Arena and Fieldhouse separately and developing the area without them using the expanded CRL area and land sales to fund an arena and field house that is constructed else where
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