American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[photon]

Pence visits NASA and suddenly we find out it was Pence who couldn't read all along...

"Hey Mike"
"Yeah?"
"Could you print a sign to put on the 43 million dollar piece of equipment so the VIPs visiting today don't touch it by accident?"
"Sure"

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by photon

Pence visits NASA and suddenly we find out it was Pence who couldn't read all along...

"Hey Mike"
"Yeah?"
"Could you print a sign to put on the 43 million dollar piece of equipment so the VIPs visiting today don't touch it by accident?"
"Sure"

Maybe he thought they were referring to the piece of paper only.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

John Podesta @johnpodesta
1/ On a x-country road trip with my wife;

John Podesta @johnpodesta
2/ Pulled in for a pit stop in E. Fairmont W. Va. to see that our whack job POTUS @realDonaldTrump is tweeting about me at the G20.

John Podesta @johnpodesta
3/ Get a grip man, the Russians committed a crime when they stole my emails to help get you elected President.

John Podesta @johnpodesta
4/ Maybe you might try to find a way to mention that to President Putin.

John Podesta @johnpodesta
5/ BTW, I had nothing to do with the DNC.

John Podesta @johnpodesta
6/ God only knows what you'll be raving about on twitter by the time we get to Utah.


John Podesta @johnpodesta
7/7 Dude, get your head in the game. You’re representing the US at the G20.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Lol.

David Wright @DavidWright_CNN
News: Angela Merkel, who is hosting G20 in Germany, said Trump participated in Friday’s climate change session & “even made a contribution"

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Lol.

David Wright @DavidWright_CNN
News: Angela Merkel, who is hosting G20 in Germany, said Trump participated in Friday’s climate change session & “even made a contribution"

He probably produced some methane by farting during the session.

[CroFlames]

Why do protesters protest the G20 and G8 Summits?

Like are they pissed those countries get together to try and build economic cooperation and climate change plans?? I get they are anti-capitalists, but like wtf? Russia ain't exactly capitalist, neither is China.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why do protesters protest the G20 and G8 Summits?

Like are they pissed those countries get together to try and build economic cooperation and climate change plans?? I get they are anti-capitalists, but like wtf? Russia ain't exactly capitalist, neither is China.

I'd like to see a protest in Russia or China.

To answer your question, they believe the coming together for cooperation has failed.

1. Countries are still too capitalist
2. These 20 countries emit 75% of the pollution
3. Solutions for the people aren't really for the people (rich powerful men making decisions)
4. Summits make policy to further the wealth of the wealthy.
5. Non-transparency, we don't really know what happens at the G20
5. It costs 1 billion dollars just to stage 1 G20 event

[photon]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Like are they pissed those countries get together to try and build economic cooperation and climate change plans?? I get they are anti-capitalists, but like wtf? Russia ain't exactly capitalist, neither is China.

You globalists can't understand the damage your globalist agendas do just to help your globalist buddies advance your globalist agendas. Globalist.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why do protesters protest the G20 and G8 Summits?

Like are they pissed those countries get together to try and build economic cooperation and climate change plans?? I get they are anti-capitalists, but like wtf? Russia ain't exactly capitalist, neither is China.

Because these countries basically dictate how the entire world operates. Some of the countries play a role in supporting conflicts in other countries. Russia has many capitalist interests, they are the second largest exporter of oil and number 1 exporter of natural gas. They also govern their people with an iron fist, have a poor human rights record and the common perception is that Putin has ambitions that could create volatility throughout Europe.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Because these countries basically dictate how the entire world operates. Some of the countries play a role in supporting conflicts in other countries. Russia has many capitalist interests, they are the second largest exporter of oil and number 1 exporter of natural gas. They also govern their people with an iron fist, have a poor human rights record and the common perception is that Putin has ambitions that could create volatility throughout Europe.

I understand now. Best to burn cars up and down residential streets. Got it.

[photon]

The United States and Russia have reached agreement on a cease-fire in southwest Syria, three U.S. officials said Friday as President Donald Trump held his first meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The deal marks a new level of involvement for the U.S. in trying to resolve Syria's civil war. Although details about the agreement and how it will be implemented weren't immediately available, the cease-fire is set to take effect Sunday at noon Damascus time, said the officials, who weren't authorized to discuss the cease-fire publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Jordan and Israel also are part of the agreement, one of the officials said. The two U.S. allies both share a border with the southern part of Syria and have been concerned about violence from Syria's civil war spilling over the border.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...S_RUSSIA_SYRIA

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the difference here is that you actually use the myth of the American Dream as real justification for the economic theory of capitalism. At least gender identity is restricted to the individual, and I would think a heavy proponent of individualism would find great joy in celebrating an individual's right to determine their own identity and have unrestricted rights.

Myths can be very useful, modern cultures are still filled with them. I'm not sure the American dream is entirely mythical anyway, some people seem to have lived it, so it must be a bit true.

Capitalism is the best flawed system that anybody has come up with so far. I'm interested if somebody has an idea of a better system.

Hey I'm all for maximum rights for everybody, if you want to LARP and play whatever games of pretend you like, go hard; But when you are trying to force legislation that compels people to play this game with you, that's when I have a problem with it.

It's a pretty simple concept, my rights end where yours begin, and vice versa.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Wow
Go hug your gun, you'll feel better

I always do.

Any new developments in this Russia meddling conspiracy? Any promising leads?

I honestly don't know what is more ridiculous, Trumps presidency or this Russian conspiracy.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Capitalism is the best flawed system that anybody has come up with so far.

Here we go again. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Here we go again. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?

Atlas Shrugged

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I always do.

Any new developments in this Russia meddling conspiracy? Any promising leads?

I honestly don't know what is more ridiculous, Trumps presidency or this Russian conspiracy.

ask the FBI.

any proof of Obama wiretapping yet?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Myths can be very useful, modern cultures are still filled with them. I'm not sure the American dream is entirely mythical anyway, some people seem to have lived it, so it must be a bit true.

Capitalism is the best flawed system that anybody has come up with so far. I'm interested if somebody has an idea of a better system.

Hey I'm all for maximum rights for everybody, if you want to LARP and play whatever games of pretend you like, go hard; But when you are trying to force legislation that compels people to play this game with you, that's when I have a problem with it.

It's a pretty simple concept, my rights end where yours begin, and vice versa.

Sure, a hybrid system.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by GGG

There are no pure capitalist societies. You seem to be creating a false premise that the US is a capitalist society where's as European nations are socialist. Where really you are comparing countries across the middle of the spectrum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gove...centage_of_GDP

The united states a governments spend 42% of GDP, Canada 42%, and Sweden 51%.

The industrial revolution prior to the rise of unions might be the last form of pure capitalism we have seen in the world.

Your argument about class mobility should be easy to prove. Index class mobility by government spending as a % of GDP and see which societies perform the best.

You are completely right, there aren't anymore purely capitalist countries at least within developed nations, and most seem to be moving closer to centrally planned economies if anything.

How many billionaires in Sweden and Canada as opposed to the US? I'm also thinking heavy tax rates are going to limit class mobility as well. I mean how much class mobility could there possibly be in Sweden, everything has been essentially flattened out.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

How many billionaires in Sweden and Canada as opposed to the US? I'm also thinking heavy tax rates are going to limit class mobility as well. I mean how much class mobility could there possibly be in Sweden, everything has been essentially flattened out.

Sweden has more billionaires per capita than the United States.

http://www.slate.com/articles/busine...ed_states.html

Those socialist bastards.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Here we go again. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE?

Class mobility, what country has more of an opportunity to move up the economic ladder then the US? Your NBC fake news (like that) piece said "it was less likely then many Americans would like to believe". That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just might not happen as much as some believe. It's a ridiculous statement. That's like me saying it rains less often in Vancouver, then some would like to believe.

Here's why comparing the Scandinavian countries is cherry picking. You are talking about small in both size population and ethnically homogeneous. It didn't have the same social issues to deal with like a country like Canada. We got large populations of First Nations, Quebecois and other Northern European cultures. There's also things like not being involved in ww2 (Sweden). I could go on and on. Most Countries have different historical circumstances that make these comparisons pointless.

Right, so just as I said then. When socialism fails, it's because of socialism. When capitalism fails, it's because of other underlying circumstances.

Where has Capitalism failed?

So if it's a hard comparison to make, then why do you keep asserting it as if it's an objective truth.? You've clearly made the comparison based on something but you can't tell me what that something is, other than that the Soviet-style socialism was a massive failure, and even that is a very basic and ahistorical perspective.

I'm not, I'm saying that Socialism for the most part will always fail given enough time. You can Cherry pick the Scandinavian countries to try to prove your point but it's not a good comparison. A big part of why the US is the richest country the world has ever seen is because of small government and the principles of free market capitalism, that is just a fact and so I guess you can call that an objective truth.

Who in their right mind can say Soviet-style Socialism was anything other then a complete catastrophe and blemish on human history? How many millions of people have to die before you can admit this idea of a collectivist utopia is a bad one.