2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I don't know how you can read anything into the UFA situation. Wouldn't it be tampering if they discussed UFAs openly? Mason could be top of their list or bottom, they're going to look at all options regardless

If he's at the top of their list wouldn't the Flames be a lot quieter on the goaltender trade front? I think we all realize Bishop was top of the list followed by MAF. I don't think they are talking to the Rangers (who apparently are asking for a lot) in regards to Raanta if they think Mason is the next guy at the top of their list. Not saying there's no chance Mason will be a Flame but it's pretty obvious Bishop was the only UFA goaltender they are truly interested in as they tried to trade for his rights which is something they could certainly do with Mason if they wanted.

[868904]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I've seen both play. Phillips quite a bit.

Phillips to me seems like a hungrier, more aggressive player with incredible vision.

Mangiapane is no slouch either.

Where I'm coming from is that with Johnny already in the lineup, I can't see Mangiapane making the big club anytime soon just due to team size.

With Phillips, he's a few years out and his development is not likely to stall like Mangiapane's could due to no spots.

I think Mangiapane has a ton of value, it may be worth considering moving him while there is demand on that type of player at that point in his career without running the risk of said development plateau'ing.

But why do you think Phillips should be moved before Mangiapane if it ever came to it?

One thing i really like about Mangiapane is his speed. The Flames don't really have a burner in the lineup. Mangiapane is exactly that. If he starts the year off well in Stockton, i could see him being a regular with the Flames by year end. He could be a Conor Sheary type of player for the Flames if everything goes well.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This past year I didn't hear much about Kane being that bad at all. Remember when everyone was saying how bad PK was because he was too arrogant and bad off the ice... Evander Kane is just a young kid who gets paid millions of dollars to play a game that he loves. If he's surrounded by good leadership and treated like an adult, I think the off ice shenanigans would become a thing of the past.

He's exactly what this team needs on the top line.

I think Kane is actually a useful player on the ice...and I disagree with absolutely everything you say here.

The comparison with PK is atrocious. PK is one of the best human beings in the NHL. What he does off the ice is exemplary. Donating $10m to a children's hospital is not equivalent to choking grabbing women by the neck in bars and grinding up against them because you think you're special. That's not even taking into account missing team meetings, practices, and other behaviour that shows a poor attitude and that he's not a team guy.

The reason PK rubs some people the wrong way is mostly racism and other tribalist conformist bs that is continually spouted by a lot of hockey experts and fans. If you have a problem with him, or think he is anywhere near equivalent to Evander Kane, then it says more about you than him.

[Poe969]

that argument really has no merit, if that were always the case good players wouldn't get traded because they're good. I don't think Buffalo is looking to give Kane away but they're looking for help and they don't see him as part of their future. Drouin just got dealt, is it a red flag that he was dealt at a young age with so much potential? There are a lot of factors to take into consideration with this, he only has one more year on his contract and maybe he told the sabres that he's going to leave anyway and they want to trade him before it's made public. Maybe the sabres think they can get a lot of help in other areas by trading him.

I still think he'd be perfect for the Flames, he just needs a little more guidance.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I think Kane is actually a useful player on the ice...and I disagree with absolutely everything you say here.

The comparison with PK is atrocious. PK is one of the best human beings in the NHL. What he does off the ice is exemplary. Donating $10m to a children's hospital is not equivalent to choking grabbing women by the neck in bars and grinding up against them because you think you're special. That's not even taking into account missing team meetings, practices, and other behaviour that shows a poor attitude and that he's not a team guy.

The reason PK rubs some people the wrong way is mostly racism and other tribalist conformist bs that is continually spouted by a lot of hockey experts and fans. If you have a problem with him, or think he is anywhere near equivalent to Evander Kane, then it says more about you than him.

PK has done a lot of amazing things but in his early years of playing, there were rumours that he wasn't that great and I'm talking about then, not now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If he's at the top of their list wouldn't the Flames be a lot quieter on the goaltender trade front? I think we all realize Bishop was top of the list followed by MAF. I don't think they are talking to the Rangers (who apparently are asking for a lot) in regards to Raanta if they think Mason is the next guy at the top of their list. Not saying there's no chance Mason will be a Flame but it's pretty obvious he's not at or near the top of their list.

Mason could very well be at the top of their UFA goalie list, but they can't do anything with him until the free agent period opens up. (unless they want to ditch a pick for his rights. Maybe they've tried but Hextall won't do it because I've read rumors that there is a chance he circles back to Mason later on)

In the mean time Treliving isn't one to sit on his hands. You can never gamble that a UFA will be available once UFA season opens, and even if he is you can't bank on him signing with you. Tre wouldn't be doing his job properly if he wasn't kicking tires on every goalie you can think of. I bet he's even inquired about goalies like Price and Schneider for example.

[Love]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Because I'm bored...

Bennett and 2017 1st for MacKinnon
Backlund for Galchenyuk and 2017 2nd
2017 2nd (from MTL) for Raanta
CGY re-signs Johnson for 2 years
CGY re-signs Stone for 3 years
CGY re-signs Versteeg for 2 years
Vegas takes Brouwer

Let the insanity ensue. :P

Gaudreau - Monahan - MacKinnon
Tkachuk - Galchenyuk - Ferland
Frolik - Jankowski - Versteeg
Stajan/Mangiapane/Klimchuk - Lazar - Chiasson/Hathaway

hmm

[Roof-Daddy]

I could see down the road after other options have been exhausted maybe a swap of rights between Philly/Calgary for Elliott/Mason. Philly gets Elliott's rights for free in this case, while Calgary would still lose a 3rd to St. Louis for dealing Elliott's rights but if Mason is indeed a prime target for them it's well worth it.

I think Philly wants more of a 1A guy so they can get Stolarz in the net more over the next couple seasons, and Mason apparently wants nothing to do with a tandem. He wants to be named the starter and get the starters workload.

Where as Calgary has more of a need for a legit starter for the next few seasons IMO.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Mason could very well be at the top of their UFA goalie list, but they can't do anything with him until the free agent period opens up. (unless they want to ditch a pick for his rights. Maybe they've tried but Hextall won't do it because I've read rumors that there is a chance he circles back to Mason later on)

In the mean time Treliving isn't one to sit on his hands. You can never gamble that a UFA will be available once UFA season opens, and even if he is you can't bank on him signing with you. Tre wouldn't be doing his job properly if he wasn't kicking tires on every goalie you can think of. I bet he's even inquired about goalies like Price and Schneider for example.

He was aggressive on Bishop trying to get his rights and the fact he's not on Mason is telling. I'm sure he's on their list but if he really wanted Mason he would be talking to the Flyers about what it would take to attain his rights. Maybe he has but we haven't heard anything about any team inquiring to the Flyers.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Love

Gaudreau - Monahan - MacKinnon
Tkachuk - Galchenyuk - Ferland
Frolik - Jankowski - Versteeg
Stajan/Mangiapane/Klimchuk - Lazar - Chiasson/Hathaway

hmm

looks fun

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He was aggressive on Bishop trying to get his rights and the fact he's not on Mason is telling. I'm sure he's on their list but if he really wanted Mason he would be talking to the Flyers about what it would take to attain his rights. Maybe he has but we haven't heard anything about any team inquiring to the Flyers.

Yeah, like I said in that post, maybe he has been inquiring about getting Mason's rights, but is being rebuffed for now because Hextall wants to keep his options open.

Maybe after the expansion draft they get something done.

[Toonage]

To be fair we only heard about Bishop after the fact (each time).

The most Treliving has really said about any goalie specifically is that he has spoken with Elliott & Johnson to gauge their feelings.

[Reign of Fire]

Can we make a list of all the users who want Bennett traded? So we know who get served crow when the time comes

[Imported_Aussie]

I hate these proposals for moving Bennett too, even more when it is Backlund as well.
People must have short memories, as this franchise spent so long trying to get depth at centre, to lose that in one fell swoop would be idiocy.
If Janko pans out, you get a winger then, as Bennett goes to the wing.
Get this team a good goalie and then if they cannot take the next step, start talking about shaking up the forward ranks in a big way

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Can we make a list of all the users who want Bennett traded? So we know who get served crow when the time comes

That's how much you care about other people's opinion on the matter? Why not let people have their own thoughts, ignore them, and enjoy the weekend... seems like it would be easier to do than creating a comprehensive list

[djsFlames]

I'd take MacKinnon over Bennett and it really isn't even questionable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

I hate these proposals for moving Bennett too, even more when it is Backlund as well.
People must have short memories, as this franchise spent so long trying to get depth at centre, to lose that in one fell swoop would be idiocy.
If Janko pans out, you get a winger then, as Bennett goes to the wing.
Get this team a good goalie and then if they cannot take the next step, start talking about shaking up the forward ranks in a big way

To be fair, losing Backlund and Bennett but gaining Galchenyuk and Mackinnon isn't losing depth at centre. You can debate the merits of player versus player, but they are all centres.

[TheIronMaiden]

I will be a little disappointed if the Flames don't secure a goalie in some capacity before the freeze.

What does the contingency plan even look like?
Broker a deal with the LVGK?
Try the UFA market?
Extend the Elliott and Johnson?

[sureLoss]

Kristen Odland @Kristen_Odland
For what it's worth, the #Flames do not sound like they're wheeling and dealing w/#Vegas as hard as some other teams are.

don't know if she is basing this on what she actually heard or what is already out there in social media.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I will be a little disappointed if the Flames don't secure a goalie in some capacity before the freeze.

What does the contingency plan even look like?
Broker a deal with the LVGK?
Try the UFA market?
Extend the Elliott and Johnson?

Teams can still make trades with LVGK during the freeze right? Little more hope for ya...