Who Does Vegas Take From The Flames In The Expansion Draft?

[DJones]

Hoping for Brouwer, think Kulak or Shinkaruk

[EldrickOnIce]

Heard Larry Brooks on NHL radio the other day.
We all know he is full of ####, but for whatever it's worth he was saying that the Knights will be targeting several veteran players on short term deals. If true, might make Stajan a more likely candidate than Brouwer.

[madmike]

I'm not sure on the rules but do they have to take someone from the Flames?

That's a pretty unappealing list to be honest.

I'd likely take Kulak. There's no way they touch Brouwer and that contract but we can dream.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by madmike

I'm not sure on the rules but do they have to take someone from the Flames?

That's a pretty unappealing list to be honest.

I'd likely take Kulak. There's no way they touch Brouwer and that contract but we can dream.

Yes, they have to either select a player from the Flames or sign one of our UFA's in the 48 window they get prior to the expansion draft.

[Itse]

Btw, Brouwers contract isn't THAT long. 3 years left. Vegas is basically at the start of a rebuild... umm... first build?

Anyway, 3 years isn't necessarily that bad for Vegas in this situation.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Just listened to Treliving's interview from the Fan this morning again. He flat out says Brouwer will be a better player for them next season. Even if left unprotected, I have to think they will make sure Brouwer stay a member of the Flames.

Brouwer's contract is like a protection slot. Basically means he's not going to get picked. You don't have to trade things to Vegas or protect him to not have him picked. Unless Treliving got dropped on his head in the past few weeks he isn't going to lose someone of value or trade assets to prevent Vegas from taking him.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The "rumour" is Bob McKenzie carrying water for Drouin's agent ahead of what will be an interesting contract negotiation. He might well be traded, but that whole story just screams 'guy trying to drive his price up'.



Anyway, in terms of Treliving talking up Brouwer, I wonder if he's trying to make Brouwer seem more valuable to anyone listening in Vegas?

How does a trade rumour help a RFA's contract value?

[sureLoss]

There is a loophole for them to "avoid" picking a player off every team in the expansion draft.

The expansion draft rules state that only 20 of the 30 players selected in the draft need to have contracts for next season. So theoretically they could select a player that doesn't have a contract for next season like an UFA or RFA and not sign him.

This avoids them having to take a bad contract or having to commit money to a minor league player they don't really want if the exposed list is looking pretty bad.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by wired

Am I the only one who wants JG aka "the kid" left open to the expansion draft? All the talent in the world, but wont use it.....watch the world championships.....he will light it up AND play defensively.
Waiting to get roasted for this.

[Itse]

I seriously doubt any list is so bad they really don't want anyone, even for free.

They're not going to have 50 guys better or cheaper than Shinkaruk in their organization, and I seriously doubt they're so short on cash they want to pinch pennies on the number of contracts.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Itse

Btw, Brouwers contract isn't THAT long. 3 years left. Vegas is basically at the start of a rebuild... umm... first build?

Anyway, 3 years isn't necessarily that bad for Vegas in this situation.

Three years for a veteran is probably inline with what they are looking for as he will be there long enough to provide some consistent leadership for the young players but once they accumulate enough talent to start ascending his contract will be expiring.

I'm surprised Shinkaruk has so many votes. He's probably not going to make the Flames roster next season so I don't know why LV would use a pick on a guy that will likely be available on waivers.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm surprised Shinkaruk has so many votes. He's probably not going to make the Flames roster next season so I don't know why LV would use a pick on a guy that will likely be available on waivers.

As I've already said, I voted for Shinkaruk when I thought he was waiver-exempt for next season. Even though he isn't, there's still a chance they take him depending on what else is available from the other teams.

The fact is, Vegas is going to get 30 players out of the expansion draft, plus whatever other moves they make this summer. They can only have 23 in the NHL to start the season. At minimum, they're going to need to send 7 waiver-eligible players to the AHL. That means they'll need to have at least 7 players they can safely put through waivers.

Shinkaruk is a player who would likely clear waivers in the Fall, but could also take an NHL shift if needed on a recall. Kulak (and Wotherspoon if he's re-signed) are similar assets but defencemen. So, it really depends on the other 29 players Vegas chooses as well.


If they just waited until the fall to claim Shinkaruk off waivers, they'd have to keep him in the NHL, so it's a completely different asset management question.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm surprised Shinkaruk has so many votes. He's probably not going to make the Flames roster next season so I don't know why LV would use a pick on a guy that will likely be available on waivers.

Vegas doesn't get first priority on waivers. And whether a player makes another team's roster or not is not George McPhee's problem.

With teams eligible to protect 7 forwards and only 3 defencemen, there will be a lot of good defencemen available; so I don't see Vegas taking Kulak or Wotherspoon. There won't be an abundance of scoring forwards; so they will probably try to take chances on several prospects that have the potential to at least stop the gap. And they can meet the cap requirements of the expansion draft without taking on any big-money, underperforming contracts, so I doubt they're looking at Brouwer.

At this point, I see Shinkaruk roughly on a par with Baertschi and Granlund: a player who has to be put in an offensive role to have value, but isn't good enough at that role to crack the Flames' roster. Baertschi and Granlund were both good enough to make an offence-starved team in Vancouver, and did OK on that roster. Vegas is also going to be starved for offence, and will have room for that kind of player.

[David Struch]

The Expansion Draft rules state Las Vegas must spend at least 60% of the NHL’s salary cap, approximately $43.8 million

Being required to select 20 players under contract and being forced to hit $43.8 million will limit the team on June 20th when they make the selections.

http://sinbin.vegas/what-the-salary-...for-las-vegas/

43.8 million / 20 = 20 players @ 2.19 million.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by David Struch

http://sinbin.vegas/what-the-salary-...for-las-vegas/

43.8 million / 20 = 20 players @ 2.19 million.

So they have to hit 2016-17 salary floor immediately, didn't expect that. Does make them picking someone like Brouwer a lot more likely.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Itse

So they have to hit 2016-17 salary floor immediately, didn't expect that. Does make them picking someone like Brouwer a lot more likely.

They can hit the salary floor adding a few bad contracts like Dustin Brown and Marc Staal without having to take press box fillers like Brouwer. There will also be good, well-paid players exposed by necessity - guys like Sami Vatanen and Bobby Ryan, that will add to the cap pretty quickly.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

They can hit the salary floor adding a few bad contracts like Dustin Brown and Marc Staal without having to take press box fillers like Brouwer. There will also be good, well-paid players exposed by necessity - guys like Sami Vatanen and Bobby Ryan, that will add to the cap pretty quickly.

True, plus they can sign new UFA's in that own special window of theirs.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

They can hit the salary floor adding a few bad contracts like Dustin Brown and Marc Staal without having to take press box fillers like Brouwer. There will also be good, well-paid players exposed by necessity - guys like Sami Vatanen and Bobby Ryan, that will add to the cap pretty quickly.

You think they would choose Dustin Brown's contract over Brouwer's contract?

Why do you think Bobby Ryan is going to be left protected? I don't like his contract but they are not going to give him away for nothing.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire

You think they would choose Dustin Brown's contract over Brouwer's contract? .

LA has more to gain (thus offer in exchange for taking Brown) than we do. And Brown is still an NHLer, albeit more of a 3rd line guy. Brouwer at this point is a downgrade on fringe NHLers like Hamilton and Hathaway.

[wired]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

5% of people have an IQ below 75 so I am sure you're not "the only one".

Nice, please insult more.....makes you look cool.

[wired]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Even if you believe that then why would you not trade him instead of losing hkm for nothing.
So are you trolling or what?

No, asking a question.....