View Poll Results: Who does Vegas take?
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Troy Brouwer
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189 |
35.73% |
Alex Chiasson (RFA)
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24 |
4.54% |
Matt Stajan
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58 |
10.96% |
Lance Bouma
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25 |
4.73% |
Frederik Hamilton
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4 |
0.76% |
Linden Vey
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2 |
0.38% |
Hunter Shinkaruk
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107 |
20.23% |
Emile Poirier
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9 |
1.70% |
Matt Bartowski
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17 |
3.21% |
Brett Kulak
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75 |
14.18% |
Ty Wotherspoon
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13 |
2.46% |
Ryan Culk
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0% |
Tom McCollumm
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0 |
0% |
A Flames UFA
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6 |
1.13% |
05-02-2017, 12:29 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
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I think it will be Stajan.
Shinkaruk hasn't impressed enough to make him a sure NHLer next year, and they don't want to pick a player just to waive them.
Kulak won't be one of the top 7 or 8 D picked by Vegas, and once again, they won't pick players just to waive them. (They could, however, trade some of their other defensemen until he slots in as their #7, so it could be Kulak. He's definitely the best asset the Flames are exposing)
Brouwer's contract sucks, so he won't be taken.
Bouma is not very good, so he won't be taken.
Chiasson would be a good pick but I think they'll prefer Stajan's veteran influence to Chiasson's good-depth-guy-ness.
All of the other players are borderline NHLers and not good options.
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05-02-2017, 12:34 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I think they take Brouwer. A proven leader and former 20 goal scorer. A connection and history with McPhee.
Plus, I don't think the salary cap will be as much of a concern for the first few seasons.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the Flames make a trade in Vegas' favour to entice them to take him.
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05-02-2017, 12:40 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Everybody is hoping it's Brouwer and we could get our wishes.
Shinkaruk will still be ineligible for waivers, so this ups his chances of getting picked.
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05-02-2017, 12:40 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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McPhee has history with Brouwer. I think its him
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05-02-2017, 12:53 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
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Shinkaruk makes the most sense to me. Cheap, young, waiver eligible, sliding ELC forward. Another 2 seasons for arbitration eligibility. Former 1st round pick. Kulak is in the same boat, but is slightly older and has 1 less year of arbitration eligibility. It depends on whether Vegas wants a forward/defence prospect.
Brouwer is also possible, and the best case scenario for the Flames. Although it would not be surprising if McPhee's prior affinity for him is diminished due to his poor season. We'd likely have to package a B prospect to convince McPhee to draft him.
Chiasson is also possible. He's a relatively cheap bottom 6 forward that can kill penalties and chip in occasionally with offense. But there's probably a lot of these types of players out there that can be gotten in free agency, and a great deal of them exposed in the draft.
Bartkowski is another maybe - he was actually alright playing with Engelland, just got played something like 4-5 min more per night than they should've been and exposed hard because of it. But he's cheap and servicable at the NHL level. On the other hand, there's going to be a LOT of good young defencemen to pick from so Vegas shouldn't really need fill-me-ins if they're going to rob Anaheim/Minnesota of players like Vatanen and Spurgeon.
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05-02-2017, 01:02 PM
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#26
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It's between Shinkaruk and Brouwer for me. I could see adding a small asset to nudge Vegas to Brouwer.
I think Vegas will only want 1-2 guys like Brouwer (older, expensive) - but most teams with those kind of guys have more attractive younger guys.
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05-02-2017, 01:07 PM
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#27
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Without knowing the availability of veteran defensive centers from other teams, I think Stajan is a good choice.
Shinkaruk makes the most sense to me otherwise.
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05-02-2017, 01:11 PM
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#28
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Chaisson is the best player on the list so I voted for him. But Vegas won't always pick the BPA as they have to build a team.
The UFA route might be the way to go for Vegas. If you could get say Stone or Engelland I'd really look at that because the Flames have one of the weakest lists out there.
The Lazar trade isn't looking that great right now. Could have used that spot on someone else.
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05-02-2017, 01:12 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
The Lazar trade isn't looking that great right now. Could have used that spot on someone else.
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...like who?
I think the Lazar trade looks quite nice so far. 4GP, 1G, 2A - can't ask for much more than that.
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05-02-2017, 01:15 PM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
Everybody is hoping it's Brouwer and we could get our wishes.
Shinkaruk will still be ineligible for waivers, so this ups his chances of getting picked.
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I actually don't mind Brouwer as much as some, so I am not hoping too hard that they take him. I think he would legitimately be a good pick for an expansion team.
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05-02-2017, 01:16 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
...like who?
I think the Lazar trade looks quite nice so far. 4GP, 1G, 2A - can't ask for much more than that.
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Yeah I don't love Lazar but he looks like he may carve out a role on this team and I'm not sure a second rounder in this upcoming draft is a lock to be anything more than a prospect that never makes the team.
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05-02-2017, 01:18 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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I wanna say Stajan, but I'm not sure what other centres are available so maybe they don't
Voted Stajan anyway
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05-02-2017, 01:20 PM
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#33
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Just listened to Treliving's interview from the Fan this morning again. He flat out says Brouwer will be a better player for them next season. Even if left unprotected, I have to think they will make sure Brouwer stay a member of the Flames.
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05-02-2017, 01:20 PM
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#34
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
...like who?
I think the Lazar trade looks quite nice so far. 4GP, 1G, 2A - can't ask for much more than that.
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Like who? Every player who is unprotected is available for trade. There will be unprotected forwards who are way better than Lazar.
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05-02-2017, 01:22 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
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Stajan for me.
Brouwer might be the next guy on the list, but Stajan would be my guy if I was Brouwer.
What I am not doing if I am Vegas:
Selecting waiver-eligible prospects from teams. I believe Shinkaruk and Kulak are both waiver eligible this year, so I would wait for them if I was really interested. Vegas will select better prospects from different teams, or better young players currently playing in the NHL, along with a mix of veterans.
Why Stajan for me? There really isn't all that much to pick from the Flames. I will take the center that has a reputation for being well-liked in the room and brings leadership, who can play in all 3 zones, and who has a higher cap hit than actual salary (saving dollars).
I would take Shinkaruk if I thought he was NHL-ready.
I would NOT select Kulak at all since there will be a plethora of exposed defencemen. Why select a guy that is most likely going to be sent down due to depth, and who the Flames can simply re-claim?
Even if Shinkaruk is not waiver eligible, I am not sure I select him. I personally don't think he has NHL upside. I would take the best 'tradeable' asset off the Flames if I didn't like any of the players offered (which I really don't).
If I was Vegas, I would just select Stone out of spite and try to convince him to sign in Vegas. There is nothing else of significance available. Stajan is the most versatile and probably the best bet for a trade-bait player on an expiring contract that can help shelter and expected young team until then.
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05-02-2017, 01:22 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Brouwer + Shinkaruk. Treliving swings a deal with McPhee to select Brouwer and gets Shinkaruk as a bonus. McPhee gets a free B prospect and a guy he's familiar with who usually is good for 15/15+ and is apparently a good locker room presence. Two for the price of one. Brouwer's expensive but the salary cap is the least of LV's worries. Calgary loses a decent prospect, but he's also been passed by a few other guys on the depth chart.
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05-02-2017, 01:27 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Just listened to Treliving's interview from the Fan this morning again. He flat out says Brouwer will be a better player for them next season. Even if left unprotected, I have to think they will make sure Brouwer stay a member of the Flames.
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I actually agree entirely. Watching Brouwer the year before vs this year was a completely different player. I won't be too disappointed if Vegas doesn't take him because I really think he'll be better
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05-02-2017, 01:28 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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I think Stajan. You can never have much centre depth, Stajan can play up and down the lineup (though he obviously doesn't bring much in the way of offense), and is a proven character guy that could be very useful for a brand new team, and doesn't come at an unreasonable salary + term.
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05-02-2017, 01:29 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Just listened to Treliving's interview from the Fan this morning again. He flat out says Brouwer will be a better player for them next season. Even if left unprotected, I have to think they will make sure Brouwer stay a member of the Flames.
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Does he say why?
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05-02-2017, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Five-hole
Does he say why?
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Does he say why he thinks Brouwer will be better? He just says (paraphrasing of course) that Brouwer brings a lot to the team, but understands you are paid for what you do on the ice and that he believes Brouwer will be better next season. Doesn't sound too disappointed with him and gives no hints that the player won't be back. He does suggest that playing in a Canadian market takes some getting used to, which may answer your question partially.
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