[Trade] Ben Bishop + 5th to the Kings for Budaj, Cernak, 7th, + cond. pick

[Bingo]

this has probably already been said, but such an interesting trade as it speaks 100% to the desperation of getting into the playoffs, but will have very little to do with actual playoffs themselves if they get in.

I don't know if they do this if Calgary hasn't gone on a 9-2-1 rip in February.

Now they can't waste precious games on Budaj, and they can't risk burning Quick's rebuilt groin muscles on back to backs of which they have four.

[dissentowner]

This was just a stupid move by LA. Goaltending is not the issue with that club, scoring is. Didn't address the actual needs of the team at all.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I think there will be enough teams out there looking for goaltending that Pittsburgh will get something for him at the end of the season.

Why would a team give up assets to the Pens at the end of the season when they can wait for the Penguins to buy him out and then sign him to a deal they are comfortable with?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This was just a stupid move by LA. Goaltending is not the issue with that club, scoring is. Didn't address the actual needs of the team at all.

They paid very little and now have a better chance to get into the playoffs thanks to having the absolute best tandem in hockey. Quick's coming off an injury, so they shouldn't be overworking him.

It's a smart move by LA in my eyes.

Interesting that Yzerman didn't have any other offers on the table (but the quality of the return he got pretty much confirms that as the truth). The Flames must simply not be in love with Bishop's contract demands, but I guess we'll see what happens this summer.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

looks like the Flames didn't make an offer for Bishop

Bryan Burns @BBurnsNHL
Yzerman said his options were to make the deal with L.A. last night or hold onto Bishop for rest of the season. No other offers out there.

doesn't mean they didn't inquire.. just means they didn't have an offer on the table, if you believe Yzerman

Which doesnt really surprise me much.

Bishop is older, injury prone and likely to be expensive to keep.

[ComixZone]

John ShannonVerified account‏@JSportsnet 2m2 minutes ago
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On Bishop trade, Dean Lombardi did a good job upgrading goaltending...and did a BETTER job of keeping Bishop away from a Pacific Div. Rival.

John Shannon still speculating that LA acquiring Bishop was not only to improve their goaltending, but also to keep Bishop away from a rival (us). Even if Calgary hadn't made an offer, still seems to me that they were sniffing.

I don't think the Flames can go into 2017/2018 with Elliott and Johnson, as whatever results we may be yielding at this very moment, both goalies have proven they can't be "the guy" and also struggle to be an effective tandem. The summer should be interesting.

[dino7c]

Budaj has better numbers than Bishop this season, I think that is why many find it odd...Budaj has basically kept the Kings in the race

Elliott's record of late is ridiculous...why not just let it ride

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This was just a stupid move by LA. Goaltending is not the issue with that club, scoring is. Didn't address the actual needs of the team at all.

Goaltending is the most important and most critical position on the team. With a great goaltender or two you don't need to be the highest scoring team.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

With the regained confidence of having quick or bishop in net for them, they will score more hence the 4 1 win against anaheim

That's as good as theory as any to explain the move. I didn't think that Budaj has been that bad though.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

That's as good as theory as any to explain the move. I didn't think that Budaj has been that bad though.

2.12 27-20-3 .917

He hasn't

Them winning one game 4-1 against another struggling team (they were down 1-0 in the third period) hardly proves anything. We shall see

[tvp2003]

I can't imagine the arrival of Bishop will sit well with Quick. For him to rehab all year, only to have LA acquire "another number 1" right when he returns won't make him happy (he's already a bit of a hothead to start with).

I would like nothing better than to put up 6 on whoever starts on Tuesday night -- just to mess with their heads and start a goaltending controversy

Originally Posted by ComixZone

John Shannon still speculating that LA acquiring Bishop was not only to improve their goaltending, but also to keep Bishop away from a rival (us). Even if Calgary hadn't made an offer, still seems to me that they were sniffing.

I don't think the Flames can go into 2017/2018 with Elliott and Johnson, as whatever results we may be yielding at this very moment, both goalies have proven they can't be "the guy" and also struggle to be an effective tandem. The summer should be interesting.

Given the low acquisition cost, I was actually thinking Edmonton wouldn't be a bad rental destination for Bishop (similar to LA), to give Talbot a night off every now and then. However, Bishop had a limited NTC (only 8 teams), so he probably would have to agree to it. Edmonton also doesn't have a reliable backup (like Budaj or Elliott/Johnson) to send back the other way.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

John Shannon still speculating that LA acquiring Bishop was not only to improve their goaltending, but also to keep Bishop away from a rival (us). Even if Calgary hadn't made an offer, still seems to me that they were.

This could be wizard Treliving at work, making Lombardi think he was sniffing at Bishop so LA expends their trade chips on a goalie, vs bolstering their ranks elsewhere.

[Sylvanfan]

I personally think that there is a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.

There might be something to the speculation that two number ones sharing a net could cause a rift. The two were team mates in the World Cup, and IIRC Lombardi was part of the management group on that team. Of course the US results in that tourney were poor, but much of that blame went to the coaching staff and team put in front of the goal tenders.

Budaj did put up good numbers, but that's been somewhat standard for LA goaltenders. Ben Scrivens did too, where is he today? It's not like the rest of the NHL was beating down the door on Peter Budaj to give him a job in the NHL. He was signed as a full time AHL player last year and again for this year. It's not like the Kings are sending him to the AHL, he's going to another team who'll either keep him in the NHL as a backup, or trade him somewhere else that needs one.

The whole treating players right I think is pretty over rated. LA will always offer spectacular weather, and every off ice entertainment option a player could want. The Rangers bury and buyout players all the time...every year they still rate as a top destination for free agents. Tampa Bay and Florida have no state tax etc....These types of teams really don't need to differentiate themselves like some other teams will.

At this point the trade market honestly looks pretty weak for teams trying to find upgrades. LA is obviously taking the approach that they want to try and win more 2-1 games down the stretch and slightly better goaltending might get them what they need to post the 13-7 record that they need to make the playoffs. It might not work, and at this point I think Lombardi and Sutter are a bit desperate to make the playoffs. The Kings have spent a lot of top picks in the past five years to try and be a championship caliber team.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This was just a stupid move by LA. Goaltending is not the issue with that club, scoring is. Didn't address the actual needs of the team at all.

So the only move that makes sense is one that addresses the most burning need? This move doesn't prevent them from doing that, especially considering they gave up very little. They can now play two goalies that are quality. Might not be the biggest upgrade they could make, but they just increased their chances of winning in their upcoming back to backs, regardless of whether they do upgrade the scoring or not.

I guess you could question the asset management, although they gave up very little, but they improved the club, even if it is only a little.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So the only move that makes sense is one that addresses the most burning need? This move doesn't prevent them from doing that, especially considering they gave up very little. They can now play two goalies that are quality. Might not be the biggest upgrade they could make, but they just increased their chances of winning in their upcoming back to backs, regardless of whether they do upgrade the scoring or not.

I guess you could question the asset management, although they gave up very little, but they improved the club, even if it is only a little.

remains to be seen...lose the next two and its not looking real good for them

[PugnaciousIntern]

Now that LA is out of the playoffs and we have seen this whole thing play out, may I ask again:

Why exactly did LA trade for Bishop?

[Itse]

I would find it pretty funny if Budaj made it to the playoffs with TB.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Now that LA is out of the playoffs and we have seen this whole thing play out, may I ask again:

Why exactly did LA trade for Bishop?

Easy to say now, but if they had made it then they basically gave up nothing of value to upgrade on Budaj. Pittsburgh showed last year that having a strong 1A/1B tandem can take you a long way in the playoffs.

Plus, if Quick had gotten re-injured who would you rather have carrying the workload for you? It was an easy low-risk move.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Easy to say now, but if they had made it then they basically gave up nothing of value to upgrade on Budaj. Pittsburgh showed last year that having a strong 1A/1B tandem can take you a long way in the playoffs.

Plus, if Quick had gotten re-injured who would you rather have carrying the workload for you? It was an easy low-risk move.

I said it before and now though...

Stupid move, Budaj had a better season than Bishop there was no upgrade just a slap in the face to the guy that kept them in it most of the year

[Roof-Daddy]

The Kings really didn't give up much in this deal.