PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Wonder if anyone has shown Donnie this tweet



https://twitter.com/20committee/stat...57732079898624

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm not a Trump fan, but if you can't objectively see how the Democrats and Hillary lost the trust of the American public, you are lying to yourself. It's a symptom of the bigger problem. The political parties have become so entrenched that they are acting like they are bullet proof. That's how Trump got elected. Not because of Russian propaganda. It wasn't propaganda, it was actual emails and documents from Hillary and the Democrats. The emails weren't even taken out of context. Huge swaths of them were released.

Pizzagate-r spotted.

[Izzle]

Besides, I dont think the emails were the biggest factor in Clinton's loss. Comey's letter a few weeks before the election were much more damaging than the emails.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Trump wasn't secretly recorded with Billy Bush. He literally had the microphone attached to his body. If he were secretly recorded, he would have sued already. Even if he weren't he would have sued. No lawsuit sort of says it all.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by blankall

Here's the issue for me with that. The Russians didn't falsify any information, they just exposed truths. The public reacted to this, and rightfully so. It's also not a "Russian Source". The source was Hillary and the democrats themselves. The Russians just helped take the lid off it. Even then, it wasn't the emails themselves that were the only issues; it was also how Hillary reacted to them.

How is this any different than Drumpf being secretly recorded while telling inappropriate jokes to Billy Bush?

I'm not a Drumpf fan, but if you can't objectively see how the Democrats and Hillary lost the trust of the American public, you are lying to yourself. It's a symptom of the bigger problem. The political parties have become so entrenched that they are acting like they are bullet proof. That's how Drumpf got elected. Not because of Russian propaganda. It wasn't propaganda, it was actual emails and documents from Hillary and the Democrats. The emails weren't even taken out of context. Huge swaths of them were released.

Isn't the allegation that Russia had hacked both the GOP and DNC, but only released information from the DNC in order to help shape public opinion against them?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Still no media calling him out in any meaningful way. It's ridiculous he is still getting away with his utter stupidity.

I think the media needs to look at it differently.. it's not his stupidity, they need to start dealing with him the way people are taught to deal with someone with narcissistic personality disorder. I don't think Trump is quadrupling down on his rejection of intelligence because he honestly thinks he knows better, but because he's almost incapable of appearing wrong or inadequate; he's compelled to stick to his position, the correctness of it is irrelevant.

So typical expectations are almost meaningless.

[photon]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Isn't the allegation that Russia had hacked both the GOP and DNC, but only released information from the DNC in order to help shape public opinion against them?

That's part of it, but even more than that, the White House, the Joint Chiefs, the report coming out is supposed to mention many other attacks.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Like seriously, what the ####?

[PsYcNeT]

"If posting the address of someones daughter's elementary school and engaging the looming threat of psychopathic retaliation doesn't keep politicians/journalists/lobbyists/anyone in check, nothing will!"

*cackles maniacally as lightning crashes*

[Red Slinger]

I don't think most Americans that voted for Trump did so directly because of the leaks or how they were handled. I don't think they voted for him directly because of the wall, free trade, Jina, Russia, jobs or most issues trotted out by the pundits. I think some of these were indirect reasons but ultimately served as confirmation to what many Americans have known for years: the system is broken.

I think in essence they voted against Hillary, the Democrats, the Republicans, Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, media, big corporations and the 'ruling class', even though much of who Trump is contradicts that notion. Trump is seen as a walking Molotov cocktail being thrown into the dried hay bale of the corrupted American political and economic system. People are sick and tired of the same-old, same-old and Trump is such a wild card that he will tear it all down, intentionally or through his sheer incompetence. In some ways, I hope they're right and he blows the whole thing up. However, I suspect like so many before him that had intentions to change Washington, Trump will end up just another corrupt politician.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I don't think most Americans that voted for Trump did so directly because of the leaks or how they were handled. I don't think they voted for him directly because of the wall, free trade, Jina, Russia, jobs or most issues trotted out by the pundits. I think some of these were indirect reasons but ultimately served as confirmation to what many Americans have known for years: the system is broken.

I think in essence they voted against Hillary, the Democrats, the Republicans, Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, media, big corporations and the 'ruling class', even though much of who Trump is contradicts that notion. Trump is seen as a walking Molotov cocktail being thrown into the dried hay bale of the corrupted American political and economic system. People are sick and tired of the same-old, same-old and Trump is such a wild card that he will tear it all down, intentionally or through his sheer incompetence. In some ways, I hope they're right and he blows the whole thing up. However, I suspect like so many before him that had intentions to change Washington, Trump will end up just another corrupt politician.

Apologies but this is a massive load of horsecrap. Maybe a few of the rubes he conned bought the "drain the swamp" narrative but no one really thought the billionaire was going to fight for the little guy did they? There is no universe where the rich capitalist is the one who "fixes" the broken system that directly rewards rich capitalists. It's a nice justification to trot out for supporting him but the votes for him boil down to the simple fact that people had a choice and the minority of voters went with the loud, blustery strong man over a woman. He isn't a revolution, he's the overcorrection return to the norm.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Apologies but this is a massive load of horsecrap. Maybe a few of the rubes he conned bought the "drain the swamp" narrative but no one really thought the billionaire was going to fight for the little guy did they? There is no universe where the rich capitalist is the one who "fixes" the broken system that directly rewards rich capitalists. It's a nice justification to trot out for supporting him but the votes for him boil down to the simple fact that people had a choice and the minority of voters went with the loud, blustery strong man over a woman. He isn't a revolution, he's the overcorrection return to the norm.

I would also add, if it were a democracy based on "one person, one vote", Trump didnt even win.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by blankall

Here's the issue for me with that. The Russians didn't falsify any information, they just exposed truths. The public reacted to this, and rightfully so. It's also not a "Russian Source". The source was Hillary and the democrats themselves. The Russians just helped take the lid off it. Even then, it wasn't the emails themselves that were the only issues; it was also how Hillary reacted to them.

How is this any different than Trump being secretly recorded while telling inappropriate jokes to Billy Bush?

I'm not a Trump fan, but if you can't objectively see how the Democrats and Hillary lost the trust of the American public, you are lying to yourself. It's a symptom of the bigger problem. The political parties have become so entrenched that they are acting like they are bullet proof. That's how Trump got elected. Not because of Russian propaganda. It wasn't propaganda, it was actual emails and documents from Hillary and the Democrats. The emails weren't even taken out of context. Huge swaths of them were released.

McMullin's argument was basically despite all of that the American public used to react stronger to an external threat.

Effectively that the team politics are so entrenched that they will look for anything even from traditional enemies if it can be used to discredit the other side.

I agree with you on the causes that it wasn't Russian hacking it was that when two historically disliked candidates run one of them has to win and the winner will be who the people who dislike both vote for.

My point I guess is that Russian influencing elections isn't a new thing. The publics reaction to it changed. In my opinion its due to sports team politics.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by GGG

McMullin's argument was basically despite all of that the American public used to react stronger to an external threat.

Effectively that the team politics are so entrenched that they will look for anything even from traditional enemies if it can be used to discredit the other side.

I agree with you on the causes that it wasn't Russian hacking it was that when two historically disliked candidates run one of them has to win and the winner will be who the people who dislike both vote for.

My point I guess is that Russian influencing elections isn't a new thing. The publics reaction to it changed. In my opinion its due to sports team politics.

So true. Sports team politics is too prevalent. There are far far too many people that can't seem to sacrifice cheering for their 'team' and start working together. Unfortunately, with the internet, it will continue to be the case.

[Izzle]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/81...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Progress? Trump acknowledges Russia "consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions."

How long till Cheeto Tinyfingers tells us how he really feels on twitter?

[GGG]

^^ that is the best response you could hope for.

It didn't need the republican servers were fine because they are the best line but reiterating that attacks happen, voting machines are fine, the government will work hard to fight this from happening in the future is a reasonable response.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by GGG

^^ that is the best response you could hope for.

It didn't need the republican servers were fine because they are the best line but reiterating that attacks happen, voting machines are fine, the government will work hard to fight this from happening in the future is a reasonable response.

Isn't it sad that the best response you could hope for didnt even come from orange goblin.

I do hope that the meeting he had this morning with the intelligence community ripped him a new one. So much so that his team had to release that statement. Now we wait for the tweet at 4 am that says "Hey, check out sex tape wikileaks"

[photon]

I'd wait to see what he says after the next time he reads or hears someone saying that Russian influence had a role in the outcome of the election.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Here's the actual statement.

[Izzle]

Wait, did they really say its the "Democrat" National Committee instead of the "Democratic" National Committee? That's a subtle dog-whistle if I've ever heard one.