PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Very little hate, tons of absolutely mockery. I would advise cancelling your cable now if you don't like the Trump mockery, because the next little while will be unbearable for you.

I don't mind it. Not my president!

As I've stated in the past, his policies on trade, and oil & gas developement are great for the US people, but terrible for us in Canada and my pocketbook. I would have been far happier and well off had Hillary won.

No one is served by the media, or in discussions here, presenting only one side of the argument constantly. I only stepped into this role because otherwise it'd be a Trump bash 24/7, and I think he does indeed have some good policies for Americans, (not Canadians). And clearly voting Americans agree.

[HotHotHeat]

So presumably, the NSA/CIA/FBI will be presenting Trump will all the evidence they have collected about Russia's actions during the election. This might be the most significant meeting Trump will have since winning the election. Given that his ego and the team of enablers he surrounds himself with simply won't accept facts he will learn that weaken the legitimacy of his victory, the hours following the meeting could be really interesting/scary.

More broadly... Imagine Russia, North Korea, Iran, the KKK, and ISIS all being happy you won an election. Just an incredible moment.

[Ducay]

I love (hate?) how over the last year we've re-slid into the cold war where Russia is lumped in with Iran, North Korea, and ISIS.

Obama mocked Romney for calling them a major geopolitical risk in 2012. Crazy what a couple years can do to the world.

[HotHotHeat]

No one said they were aligned in any way beyond hoping Trump won.

My comment was more to highlight how heavy that must weigh on Trump and his supporters (you know, if they were capable of independent critical thinking).

[Senator Clay Davis]

This is....pretty hilarious lol

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I don't mind it. Not my president!

As I've stated in the past, his policies on trade, and oil & gas developement are great for the US people, but terrible for us in Canada and my pocketbook. I would have been far happier and well off had Hillary won.

No one is served by the media, or in discussions here, presenting only one side of the argument constantly. I only stepped into this role because otherwise it'd be a Trump bash 24/7, and I think he does indeed have some good policies for Americans, (not Canadians). And clearly voting Americans agree.

Most analysis on trade shows while specific sectors of the economy are hurt by free trade the average individual benefits. So while his policies might appear to "Save Jobs" they do so by increasing the cost of goods for the rest of Americans.

I agree that their energy sector will benefit. I don't think Canada will be negatively affected by this though. Our policies relative to the US policies will matter but Canada has the power to mitigate that.

Voting Americans do not clearly agree. That would imply some sense of majority of the citizens who voted. A more correct statement would be that the US electoral system selected Donald trump to be its representative in an election. Your statement here is like saying clearly voting Canadians support Trudeau. Its not really true.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I love (hate?) how over the last year we've re-slid into the cold war where Russia is lumped in with Iran, North Korea, and ISIS.

Obama mocked Romney for calling them a major geopolitical risk in 2012. Crazy what a couple years can do to the world.

Russia wasn't openly interfering in our elections 4 years ago, wasn't annexing Crimea, wasn't interfering in Syria, etc. The political climate has changed since that moment.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Russia wasn't openly interfering in our elections 4 years ago, wasn't annexing Crimea, wasn't interfering in Syria, etc. The political climate has changed since that moment.

This really isn't true.

Mcmulliin has a great interview on the keepin it 1600 podcast. He was talking about the Russian hacking and he said that from an intelligence perspective Russia has been trying to influence elections since the start of the cold war. They have been trolling forums and twitter for quite a while as well.

What has changed is the reaction of people to these attempts. Previously any information provided from a Russian source would be dismissed and the mere mention of the Russians supporting Trump would have disqualified him in the minds of the public.

Its worth a listen. But the Russian issue is not new, the reaction of the American public to it has changed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Pretty good chance the intelligence briefing today did not go well for Trump. Also worth pondering if Wikileaks actually wrote this tweet.

[Boo Radley]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Pretty good chance the intelligence briefing today did not go well for Trump. Also worth pondering if Wikileaks actually wrote this tweet.

Good chance he did not write this tweet. Intelligence is not in quotes.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Good chance he did not write this tweet. Intelligence is not in quotes.

It also doesn't end with an exclamation mark.

[Ducay]

Well considering NBC had reported on a lot of the stuff from anonymous sources, trying to investigate the fact that top secret intel was being leaked to the media is somehow a bad thing? SAD!

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Exactly. More like a counterbalance to the anti-Trump circle-j*rk going on. I'm fine criticising him, he has tonnes of flaw in policy and person, but for this to be a 24/7 echo chamber of hate doesn't really do anyone any good.

Yah it does. He's a bat #### crazy fool that will not be normalized.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Good chance he did not write this tweet. Intelligence is not in quotes.

You can tell who is writing the tweets by checking the Twitter metadata. Tweets that come from an iPhone are his staff and ones that come from Android are his own.

[Boo Radley]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Well considering NBC had reported on a lot of the stuff from anonymous sources, trying to investigate the fact that top secret intel was being leaked to the media is somehow a bad thing? SAD!

I agree with you that top secret intel should not be leaked.

However, it is hypocritical coming from Trump considering he suggested we move on with our lives and not worry about the Russian hacking.

[Flash Walken]

reading trump tweets is worthless.

[Wormius]

Still no media calling him out in any meaningful way. It's ridiculous he is still getting away with his utter stupidity.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Wonder if anyone has shown Donnie this tweet

John SchindlerVerified account
‏@20committee
Old #NSA friend tells me that the term used by Kremlin higher-ups to describe Trump is severely unflattering, much worse than "our bitch".

https://twitter.com/20committee/stat...57732079898624

[photon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Pretty good chance the intelligence briefing today did not go well for Trump. Also worth pondering if Wikileaks actually wrote this tweet.

He wrote this tweet before his briefing.

The only people saying that top secret intelligence was shared with NBC is Trump and wikileaks, so Trump's either foolishly wrong again or gaslighting again.

NBC was reporting the nature of the contents of the report by intelligence officials. NBC reported:

Two top intelligence officials with direct knowledge of the report tell NBC News it details Russian cyberattacks against, not just the Democratic National Committee, but the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the State Department, even American companies. Some hacks successful, others thwarted. The report explains Moscow's motives: partly to disrupt the democratic process; and partly as payback, the intelligence analysts conclude, for the Obama's administration questioning of Vladimir Putin's legitimacy as president. It's not just last year's presidential campaign either. The report tracks Russian cyberactivity back to 2008 and 2012. It does not speculate on whether Russia's interference affected the outcome of 2016.

There's a public version of the report that is supposed to be released soon as well. A reasonable reaction would be wait to see if the information mentioned to NBC is stuff that's only from the public version before calling for an investigation.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GGG

This really isn't true.

Mcmulliin has a great interview on the keepin it 1600 podcast. He was talking about the Russian hacking and he said that from an intelligence perspective Russia has been trying to influence elections since the start of the cold war. They have been trolling forums and twitter for quite a while as well.

What has changed is the reaction of people to these attempts. Previously any information provided from a Russian source would be dismissed and the mere mention of the Russians supporting Trump would have disqualified him in the minds of the public.

Its worth a listen. But the Russian issue is not new, the reaction of the American public to it has changed.

Here's the issue for me with that. The Russians didn't falsify any information, they just exposed truths. The public reacted to this, and rightfully so. It's also not a "Russian Source". The source was Hillary and the democrats themselves. The Russians just helped take the lid off it. Even then, it wasn't the emails themselves that were the only issues; it was also how Hillary reacted to them.

How is this any different than Trump being secretly recorded while telling inappropriate jokes to Billy Bush?

I'm not a Trump fan, but if you can't objectively see how the Democrats and Hillary lost the trust of the American public, you are lying to yourself. It's a symptom of the bigger problem. The political parties have become so entrenched that they are acting like they are bullet proof. That's how Trump got elected. Not because of Russian propaganda. It wasn't propaganda, it was actual emails and documents from Hillary and the Democrats. The emails weren't even taken out of context. Huge swaths of them were released.