PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You know, after the provincial election I railed that the people that voted for the NDP were dumb, a statement that I made out of anger, and I was counciled by a very learned fish that I was being idiotic and foolish, he said it in a much more direct way though.

By merely dismissing people that voted for Trump as dumb or miss informed people are missing the key point of this whole exercise and that's understanding why the people voted the way they did.

If the left or the democrats merely dismiss this results as the voters being dumb, or lazy or misinformed, they're going to doom themselves to losing again and not fixing the mistakes that were made.

Voters aren't dumb, they have their reasons for their votes.

Great post. And I'd add that if you are in Canada you likely don't stand a chance of knowing what those reasons are. Canadian media had me gasp the way I do when I see something on Fox News. Canadian media showed an experienced politician who maybe, but maybe not had an ethics issue or two versus Satan. It totally glossed over many things that were commonly talked about in the us about Clinton. At any time national post or the globe would have 6 different articles about how crazy trump is, and nothing about Clinton.

a great deal of Americans voted against another person or party. There is a lot interest in rebalancing the Supreme Court and killing Obama care. Voting for trump isn't a vote for racism, just as much as a vote for Clinton isn't a vote for corruption. A lot of complexity existed in that decision that almost all Canadians were not exposed to.

Everyone has forgotten that Canada voted in a snowboard teacher. Does that make every Canadian simple?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

Trump would win in a pool of 10 candidates without a ranked ballot.

I think simple things like open primaries would solve a lot of issues of extremism. Also the California house system of 1 primary for all the parties and the top 2 regardless of affiliation go onto the general.

Why would he win? The biggest complaint is that the choices sucked. More people would vote, because you wouldn't have to hold your nose and vote for someone you didn't like. Trump wouldn't have gotten a lot of the Republican base because he isn't conservative or religious. Those votes would have bled off elsewhere.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I would argue they assumed the best in people. They let Hilary run her campaign in a way that informed people of her policy and describe open and detailed platforms, not understanding that the majority of people need to be spoken to plainly. They assumed Americans aren't inherently racist. She shouldve rolled up her sleeves, threw around some hail bails, and then had a speech how she's bringing back jobs "because economy" and that the country needed less radical muslims and Mexicans and more white folk with jobs and God.

They didn't understand their voter base or they chose to ignore the voter base. It goes far beyond your second part because they actually lost support in their own voter base from the last election.

It goes towards a party that got victory fever and arrogant. they also believed their own hype and maybe felt to strongly in the whole Hillary destiny.

However you slice it, I think your over simplifying things and trying to lay the blame on the voters, when the blame should go to the campaign team and Hillary.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I would argue they assumed the best in people. They let Hilary run her campaign in a way that informed people of her policy and describe open and detailed platforms, not understanding that the majority of people need to be spoken to plainly. They assumed Americans aren't inherently racist. She shouldve rolled up her sleeves, threw around some hail bails, and then had a speech how she's bringing back jobs "because economy" and that the country needed less radical muslims and Mexicans and more white folk with jobs and God.

You are kidding right? People watched Hillary make promises and was proven to be someone not trustworthy. On top of that, Obama was in charge for eight years and did nothing to correct existing problems, which Hillary said she would fix. Trump nailed it by saying that she was just like Obama, and would not get anything done.

It didn't matter who ran against her, people wanted change. Get over it.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You are kidding right? People watched Hillary make promises and was proven to be someone not trustworthy. On top of that, Obama was in charge for eight years and did nothing to correct existing problems, which Hillary said she would fix. Trump nailed it by saying that she was just like Obama, and would not get anything done.

It didn't matter who ran against her, people wanted change. Get over it.

Obama is president. He's not in charge of all branches of government.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Great post. And I'd add that if you are in Canada you likely don't stand a chance of knowing what those reasons are. Canadian media had me gasp the way I do when I see something on Fox News. Canadian media showed an experienced politician who maybe, but maybe not had an ethics issue or two versus Satan. It totally glossed over many things that were commonly talked about in the us about Clinton. At any time national post or the globe would have 6 different articles about how crazy trump is, and nothing about Clinton.

Sure, but it's not like Canadians don't have access to and consume a huge amount of US media.

[Alpine Fisher]

It amazes me how Trump won the most states and the popular vote and people still think he is the most hated candidate / worst candidate ever.

Majority of Americans voted for him. Landslide win. Mainstream media no longer has a stronghold on shaping the views of the American people, because they have been proven to be liars and corporate shills.

Drudgereport is the most widely viewed news publication in the United States now.
Infowars routinely gets more views on their videos than mainstream media youtube videos.

People in this thread can deny it all they want.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They didn't understand their voter base or they chose to ignore the voter base. It goes far beyond your second part because they actually lost support in their own voter base from the last election.

It goes towards a party that got victory fever and arrogant. they also believed their own hype and maybe felt to strongly in the whole Hillary destiny.

However you slice it, I think your over simplifying things and trying to lay the blame on the voters, when the blame should go to the campaign team and Hillary.

I'm not saying smart people are limited to Democrats. I'm saying she pandered too much to people who can actually comprehend her words, and assumed the dumb Democrats would vote for her regardless.

She wanted to seem experienced, because she had the women factor (ie, wouldn't know how to lead) and assumed people clearly could see how dumb Trump is, but the fact is most people are as dumb as him and she lost sight of that because she's an idealist

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

It amazes me how Trump won the most states and the popular vote and people still think he is the most hated candidate / worst candidate ever.

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Trump didn't win the popular vote.

Trump won about the same amount as Romney. Folks stayed home instead of voting for Clinton.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

Majority of Americans voted for him. Landslide win. [...]
People in this thread can deny it all they want.

Yes, they can, because you're full of crap. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder how many soft Democrats thought Clinton was a sure thing and didn't bother voting. Kind of like a tortoise and hare situation.

[Passe La Puck]

Point #5 is completely stupid. Yeah she looks to have won the popular vote, but a whopping 0.3%? Clearly the system is completely broken!!

[Alpine Fisher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, they can, because you're full of crap. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary.

My mistake. I just looked again, and right now Hillary is around 200,000 votes ahead.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Landslide win is also a bit much. A 2% change in two states means she wins the election. It was a comfortable win, not a convincing win.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

Point #5 is completely stupid. Yeah she looks to have won the popular vote, but a whopping 0.3%? Clearly the system is completely broken!!

The problem with point 5 is that it's also whining. Any side that gets the popular vote and not the college would most likely whine about it.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My two cents:

With Clinton, America knew what would happen, nothing would change.

With Trump, no one has any idea what will happen.

For better or worse, roughly (less than) half of Americans preferred uncertainty. Perhaps that is why people are so afraid or enthusiastic. Uncertainty is both terrifying and exciting.

I think that is the pleasant fiction many people who took the anarchist's choice and voted Trump want to believe.

But we have already seen at the state level what the Republicans seek to do - and I am not talking about Trump, but about the House and the Senate. And we know the SCOTUS is about to become heavily Republican. Jammies noted that amendments to the US Constitution have all but stopped. A large part of that is due to the Supreme Court treating it like a living document rather than rigid. This has, of course, resulted most dramatically in the irony of Second Amendment fetishists arguing that it is set in stone when the reality is that the SCOTUS simply re-interpreted it.

And, of course, there is the laughable idea of an alleged billionaire 1%er with a dramatic multi-decade history of being a self-absorbed narcissist who seeks only to enrich himself will blow the whole thing up to the benefit of the public.

I think the reason why people are so terrified is actually certainty. We have no reason to anticipate the next 2-4 years will be any good.

[corporatejay]

Is america great yet? No? Sad.

[rubecube]

Jesus Christ.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._sentence.html

From Politico:

Meanwhile, a person who spoke to the Trump campaign told POLITICO that the aides have also discussed tapping Sarah Palin for Interior secretary. Trump has said he’d like to put Palin in his cabinet, and Palin has made no secret of her interest.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Jesus Christ.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._sentence.html

Pure comedy.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Comedy or tragedy? You decide....