Blue-Collar/White-Collar is the wrong way of looking at it.
Plumbers, Electricians, Millwrights, the list goes on... These are all blue collar jobs that take significant investment in building up skills and knowledge.
Look at it as Unskilled/Skilled workers.
Yeah, I would never call those people dumb, but it's a completely different set of skills and smarts than what you get by obtaining a university degree. A university grad is much likely to be better at reading and evaluating sources, understanding basic theory behind various policy positions, etc., because they've been trained to do so and graded on them accordingly. Now that said, if you're a "Cs get degrees" type of student, then the discrepancy probably isn't as great as would be between skilled tradesmen and a dude with a 4.0 GPA.
I think a lot of people are in a $$$$$y mood and it feels like there's a large pile of dynamite and a fuse and a box of matches in this thread.
Hell I'm in a absolute state of what the fork today, I in no way wanted Trump to ascend to a leadership position in the most powerful country in the world that with a bad decision can cause shockwaves economically, militarily or socially in a matter of minutes.
I'm no fan of Hillary either, she was the absolute wrong candidate for this election, and I think she had a arrogance and a thirst for power that did her in, as the coach in Varsity Blues said so succinctly shes the dumbest smart person that I know.
But she at least would have probably stayed the course and stayed steady and kept the better parts of what Obama achieved moving forward. Instead the Democrats have completely and utterly thrown away not only the presidency, but any chance of checks and balances through their arrogance and stupidity.
But at the same time the worst thing that we can do here at CalgaryPuck is take out our sh%%%% mood on other posters who are just here to debate and talk, I'm sure that the mods and owners of this board, don't want to see good posters leaving or being banned over a stupid election.
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Blue-Collar/White-Collar is the wrong way of looking at it.
Plumbers, Electricians, Millwrights, the list goes on... These are all blue collar jobs that take significant investment in building up skills and knowledge.
Look at it as Unskilled/Skilled workers.
This is a good way to put it. There are lots of jobs out their using their hands that require a ton of skill, knowledge and intelligence. A lot of people still look down on these folks as "uneducated and stupid".
With Clinton, America knew what would happen, nothing would change.
With Trump, no one has any idea what will happen.
For better or worse, roughly (less than) half of Americans preferred uncertainty. Perhaps that is why people are so afraid or enthusiastic. Uncertainty is both terrifying and exciting.
Clinton specifically mentioned progressive tax brackets on the upper class and focused entirely on building the middle class.
And what about the lower class? If she had policy for them it certainly fell on deaf ears. If the Democrats, who just held the presidency for 8 years, had a plan it certainly didn't help either.
Trust me, no part of me thinks Trump is the answer and I wouldn't have voted Republican. I just think the blame game is going in all the wrong directions. Insulting those with differing views or blaming the media isn't constructive reflection of a night that went horribly wrong in my opinion.
Yeah, I would never call those people dumb, but it's a completely different set of skills and smarts than what you get by obtaining a university degree. A university grad is much likely to be better at reading and evaluating sources, understanding basic theory behind various policy positions, etc., because they've been trained to do so and graded on them accordingly. Now that said, if you're a "Cs get degrees" type of student, then the discrepancy probably isn't as great as would be between skilled tradesmen and a dude with a 4.0 GPA.
sure, but every time i turned on the tv:
"OMG, Trump is winning the NON-COLLEGE Educated vote" That point was really drilled home in this election. And in the end the numbers showed.
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As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.
Hillary did not campaign to this group. Celebs called them stupid.
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And what about the lower class? If she had policy for them it certainly fell on deaf ears. If the Democrats, who just held the presidency for 8 years, had a plan it certainly didn't help either.
Trust me, no part of me thinks Trump is the answer and I wouldn't have voted Republican. I just think the blame game is going in all the wrong directions. Insulting those with differing views or blaming the media isn't constructive reflection of a night that went horribly wrong in my opinion.
She did have a policy and yes it did fall on def ears because she used too big of words and concepts for the large dumb population, whereas Trump's biggest word was tremendous (also his most favorite) and had no concepts for people to get behind.
Look at the Saudi crisis debate. Clinton said she would air strike Mosul, ground troop Bagdahdi, and delivered some pretty good detail. Trump said he doesn't get why Obama goes on TV and gives the enemy a heads up by telling them he will strike leaders in Mosul. He then says, "trust me, I got 200 generals who support me."
I'm sorry, but maybe Clinton was "elitist", or maybe the voters are just dumb and were all left wondering how an educated women lost so many votes to a buffoon, so we're scrambling for excuses like elitism.
And essentially blaming them, Mexicans, and basically any other "not straight white male" for a number of problems.
But it's more convenient to pass off concerns of racism as unfounded due to "he is just against illegals"
Convenient, but not accurate or showing any signs of having listened.
Where did he blame Mexicans and all non races for Americas problems? I've seen so many claims but zero support for these racist claims from those that espouse it as immutable fact.
I've seen him say Mexico is winning immigration because America gets the crappy Mexicans. This is not unique, in the 80's thousands of Cubans went to the US and they were the worst criminal aspects of that society. Does acknowledging that fact make one racist against Cubans?
I've seen him say vet the Muslim immigrants because they may be dangerous, a seemingly logical conclusion when the biggest opponent of the US is Muslim extremism as evidenced by the death of thousands of Americans. I'm not seeing the racism, I'm seeing a lot of claims of absolutes by Trumps detractors with not much support.
To clarify I don't support Trump but I'd like to know where these claims are coming from.
She did have a policy and yes it did fall on def ears because she used too big of words and concepts for the large dumb population, whereas Trump's biggest word was tremendous (also his most favorite) and had no concepts for people to get behind.
Look at the Saudi crisis debate. Clinton said she would air strike Mosul, ground troop Bagdahdi, and delivered some pretty good detail. Trump said he doesn't get why Obama goes on TV and gives the enemy a heads up by telling them he will strike leaders in Mosul. He then says, "trust me, I got 200 generals who support me."
I'm sorry, but maybe Clinton was "elitist", or maybe the voters are just dumb and were all left wondering how an educated women lost so many votes to a bafoon, so we're scrambling for excuses like elitism.
That's elitism.
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Where did he blame Mexicans and all non races for Americas problems? I've seen so many claims but zero support for these racist claims from those that espouse it as immutable fact.
I've seen him say Mexico is winning immigration because America gets the crappy Mexicans. This is not unique, in the 80's thousands of Cubans went to the US and they were the worst criminal aspects of that society. Does acknowledging that fact make one racist against Cubans?
I've seen him say vet the Muslim immigrants because they may be dangerous, a seemingly logical conclusion when the biggest opponent of the US is Muslim extremism as evidenced by the death of thousands of Americans. I'm not seeing the racism, I'm seeing a lot of claims of absolutes by Trumps detractors with not much support.
To clarify I don't support Trump but I'd like to know where these claims are coming from.
NEWTON, Iowa — Donald J. Trump, who earlier in the week said he was open to requiring Muslims in the United States to register in a database, said on Thursday night that he “would certainly implement that — absolutely.”
Mr. Trump was asked about the issue by an NBC News reporter and pressed on whether all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” he said. “They have to be.’’
When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’
Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question.
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Where did he blame Mexicans and all non races for Americas problems? I've seen so many claims but zero support for these racist claims from those that espouse it as immutable fact.
I've seen him say Mexico is winning immigration because America gets the crappy Mexicans. This is not unique, in the 80's thousands of Cubans went to the US and they were the worst criminal aspects of that society. Does acknowledging that fact make one racist against Cubans?
I've seen him say vet the Muslim immigrants because they may be dangerous, a seemingly logical conclusion when the biggest opponent of the US is Muslim extremism as evidenced by the death of thousands of Americans. I'm not seeing the racism, I'm seeing a lot of claims of absolutes by Trumps detractors with not much support.
To clarify I don't support Trump but I'd like to know where these claims are coming from.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.
Maybe not racist because it is all Muslims... but surveillance against all mosques, a national registry and requiring Muslims to wear identifying badges are pretty much on par with Nazi Germany. That's where these kind of claims come from.
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If you listen to Nates podcast he refuses to pick a winner saying that his model does not pick winners. Instead gives the probabilities of certain outcomes. Now that's not very satisfying to the people that made Nate the patron saint of modding for being right in 08 and 12 but his state of the race was bang on. Clintons vote distribution is shakey so a few point polling error in Teumps direction will sway the mid west.
This whole the polls were wrong naritive is expecting too much from the polls. The story should be that we had a slightly larger than typical polling error in Trumps direction likely due to flaws in the turnout model amount African Americans. But since people don't understand statistics we can't have nice things
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I'm sorry, but maybe Clinton was "elitist", or maybe the voters are just dumb and were all left wondering how an educated women lost so many votes to a bafoon, so we're scrambling for excuses like elitism.
No it's not. And just because people remained informed and are educated and all that doesn't mean we don't want to see the morons improve the country we all share. I simply understand that the goober beside me needs a job and opportunity for me to have not only the same things, but also security, and less burdens for my tax dollars to go towards.
So in turn, I have to look out for the morons even when they're too dumb to so themselves
