@ 2Stonebirds
I saw a video highlighting this. There appeared to be thousands of empty seats. No mention of this in the mainstream news outlets though that I have seen.
I don't disagree, I don't think there was bias there just that if you were not on the floor you simply wouldn't know. Lazy. Exactly. For the talking heads up in the booth everything was just super keen. On the floor it was a different story.
Same with the RNC. Perhaps Gary Johnson sees a bump in his numbers after the DNC? Last I looked he seemed to be sitting around the 9-10% range of the pop vote.
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@ 2Stonebirds
I saw a video highlighting this. There appeared to be thousands of empty seats. No mention of this in the mainstream news outlets though that I have seen.
If I had to guess I'd say just over half of Floridas delegates left the floor? Big gaping hole where Alaskas delegates once sat...
For the died in the wool democrats I doubt this is an issue, but the thing with Bernie is he brought out many new voters. The young college crowd, many of whom have never cast a vote in a federal election. Those are the votes the dems need to worry about alienating.
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I think the best solution is to end the 2 party system, split it into 4 or 5, let them form governments so this gridlock and utterly failing congress might actually do something when they are forced to work with each other through coalitions.
I think the best solution is to end the 2 party system, split it into 4 or 5, let them form governments so this gridlock and utterly failing congress might actually do something when they are forced to work with each other through coalitions.
Ending the 2 party system is contingent on ending the electoral college. Otherwise a 4 or 5 party system likely totally splits the electoral college so no one can win it outright. And then Congress gets to choose the President. This is where all that GOP gerrymandering sets them up to dominate the White House as there are more parties. So I'm not sure if the electoral college can be eliminated, but if it can't then the 2 party system is likely to persist forever.
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If I had to guess I'd say just over half of Floridas delegates left the floor? Big gaping hole where Alaskas delegates once sat...
For the died in the wool democrats I doubt this is an issue, but the thing with Bernie is he brought out many new voters. The young college crowd, many of whom have never cast a vote in a federal election. Those are the votes the dems need to worry about alienating.
I wouldnt worry much about these young college crowds who have "never cast a vote". This implies that any new votes would only go to Bernie. The danger is really if these new voters are so pissed off and motivated enough to vote Trump. I dont see it. They're pissed off right now. Will they remain pissed off in November when time comes to vote? I doubt it. By then, Hillary's attack ad machine would be in full force. Donald flaking on his tax returns and the media investigating his Russian ties would kill off their motivation. IMO, the demographics for the 2012 election between Dems and Repubs would largely be the same in 2016, culminating in a Hillary victory.
Ending the 2 party system is contingent on ending the electoral college. Otherwise a 4 or 5 party system likely totally splits the electoral college so no one can win it outright. And then Congress gets to choose the President. This is where all that GOP gerrymandering sets them up to dominate the White House as there are more parties. So I'm not sure if the electoral college can be eliminated, but if it can't then the 2 party system is likely to persist forever.
Was just writing this post, excellent point. In a parliamentary system multiple parties can work but in the US a two party system is really the only option.
I suppose you could still have multiple parties for Congress and the Senate. Then you'd have to have coalitions and more working together than now. But when it comes to the White House it pretty much always has to be a 2 horse race just from a math perspective. Electoral college is what it is sadly.
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That's really awful. If I was a hardcore Sanders supporter, the fact that I am being hectored by the likes of Sarah Silverman and Seth Myers would almost be enough to lead me to putting a Trump sign on my lawn. That type of liberal elitism is exactly what turns off people from voting Democrat.
Being spoken down to is never an enjoyable feeling - must be less so if it's being done by SNL alumni.
Ditto the BS with Lena Dunham and America Ferrera. I get all of their points, but chastising me like I don't?
The DNC has some great speakers no doubt but this is taking it too far.
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That's really awful. If I was a hardcore Sanders supporter, the fact that I am being hectored by the likes of Sarah Silverman and Seth Myers would almost be enough to lead me to putting a Trump sign on my lawn. That type of liberal elitism is exactly what turns off people from voting Democrat.
Being spoken down to is never an enjoyable feeling - must be less so if it's being done by SNL alumni.
Ditto the BS with Lena Dunham and America Ferrera. I get all of their points, but chastising me like I don't?
The DNC has some great speakers no doubt but this is taking it too far.
These are all totally valid reasons to vote for Donald J. Trump.
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That's really awful. If I was a hardcore Sanders supporter, the fact that I am being hectored by the likes of Sarah Silverman and Seth Myers would almost be enough to lead me to putting a Trump sign on my lawn. That type of liberal elitism is exactly what turns off people from voting Democrat.
That's just Up/Down instead of Left/Right. Trying to split anything into a dichotomy is dumb.
Nonsense.
Dichotomies can be useful, as policy decisions can regularly be reduced to dichotomies: do we raise taxes or lower taxes, do we make the government bigger or smaller.
Is it useful to view the world exclusively with ONE dichotomy/spectrum? No.
But spectra can be useful to analyze all sorts of issues.
I wouldnt worry much about these young college crowds who have "never cast a vote". This implies that any new votes would only go to Bernie. The danger is really if these new voters are so pissed off and motivated enough to vote Trump. I dont see it. They're pissed off right now. Will they remain pissed off in November when time comes to vote? I doubt it. By then, Hillary's attack ad machine would be in full force. Donald flaking on his tax returns and the media investigating his Russian ties would kill off their motivation. IMO, the demographics for the 2012 election between Dems and Repubs would largely be the same in 2016, culminating in a Hillary victory.
A significant portion of the dem supporting population staying at home in November will undoubtedly hurt the dems.
I think the bigger issue, and what may hurt more are the 50-something demographic delegates who said "screw this, I'm getting on a plane to go home, if it snows in November I won't bother going out to vote and if it doesn't I'm voting for Trump."
Again, emotions running high and some I'm sure will land and reflect on their choice, but the reoccurring theme I heard from delegates who were leaving the floor was that 'the DNC doesn't listen to its delegates, it doesn't abide by the party rules, can't support this any longer I'm out.'
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