[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have inquired about Pittsburgh Goalie Matt Murray

[Poe969]

What about a deal around Fleury for Wideman?

[Toonage]

Cliff: 1st and a prospect + top 9 roster player or 1st and a 2nd + prospect would be my guess. I recall Talbot and Jones fetched a pretty good return did they not? and these would be much higher caliber, proven commodities.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What would Fleury cost in a trade? What would Bishop cost? So hard to gauge the trade value of starting goalies.

Well not many teams are looking for a starter. And it looks like there will be several available. As Elliott Friedman said on the Fan this morning, it's going to be a buyers market for goalies this offseason and thus TOR and CGY should benefit as the only teams that are clearly looking. CAR might jump in the mix too but maybe they are comfortable with Lack.

Reimer is UFA. Anderson, Bishop, Fleury, Mike Smith, Pavelec may be available. That's already more starting goalies than there is spots available.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What would Fleury cost in a trade? What would Bishop cost? So hard to gauge the trade value of starting goalies.

I can't see it being much, especially given their wages... How many buyers are actually out there? Mmmmm, two? Flames and Leafs. There is one decent guy available for free (Reimer) and another comparable soon to be as well (Pavelec). Plus the other UFAs. So, what would you give up for either of these, knowing the other team wants to move them pretty badly? Wideman and a 3rd, maybe late 2nd.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Cliff: 1st and a prospect + top 9 roster player or 1st and a 2nd + prospect would be my guess. I recall Talbot and Jones fetched a pretty good return did they not? and these would be much higher caliber, proven commodities.

I wouldn't be shocked if you could get for less. That's pretty much full price in a buyers market.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Cliff: 1st and a prospect + top 9 roster player or 1st and a 2nd + prospect would be my guess. I recall Talbot and Jones fetched a pretty good return did they not? and these would be much higher caliber, proven commodities.

Not in Yzerman's wildest dreams, unless he is sweetening the pot with some Drouin spice.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I mentioned this in the Draft thread, but now I wonder if the Pens hold on to him and expose him in the expansion draft because of the 25% rule? The Pens have to protect a lot of expensive guys, so they will have a tough time hitting 25% as it is, let alone if they dump Fleury's contract...

25% rule really needs to be clarified. If pending UFAs don't count as unprotected - what is the 25% based on? It would be wildly unfair to team's with big contract UFAs coming off the books when the expansion draft if they have to leave 25% exposed.

The Flames have 17 guys currently under contract for 17-18. That will grow obviously when some the RFAs get long term deals, but there is basically no way for them to have 25% exposed without leaving someone like Frolik exposed if you're only counting current contracts.

I have to believe pending UFAs will count toward the 25%.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

25% rule really needs to be clarified. If pending UFAs don't count as unprotected - what is the 25% based on? It would be wildly unfair to team's with big contract UFAs coming off the books when the expansion draft if they have to leave 25% exposed.

The Flames have 17 guys currently under contract for 17-18. That will grow obviously when some the RFAs get long term deals, but there is basically no way for them to have 25% exposed without leaving someone like Frolik exposed if you're only counting current contracts.

I have to believe pending UFAs will count toward the 25%.

I think it's pretty certain that pending UFA's don't count, so teams will need to get creative with personnel...

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Cliff: 1st and a prospect + top 9 roster player or 1st and a 2nd + prospect would be my guess. I recall Talbot and Jones fetched a pretty good return did they not? and these would be much higher caliber, proven commodities.

Jones went for the 13th OA pick in the 2015 draft. Talbot went for a 2nd(57th), 3rd(79th) and a 7th(184th).

Jones looks like an overpayment whilst Talbot looks like an astute trade by the Oilers. A late 2nd, mid 3rd and a 7th for an NHL average goaltender(no mean feat on a team as bad as the Oilers) is a very workable price.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What would Fleury cost in a trade? What would Bishop cost? So hard to gauge the trade value of starting goalies.

if Murray is the real deal in the playoffs you would have to think the Penguins would be trying hard to unload Fleury over the summer for cap relief. He's actually been very good the past few seasons so taking on the last two years of his deal wouldn't be that bad as a placeholder for Gillies.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Jones went for the 13th OA pick in the 2015 draft. Talbot went for a 2nd(57th), 3rd(79th) and a 7th(184th).

Jones looks like an overpayment whilst Talbot looks like an astute trade by the Oilers. A late 2nd, mid 3rd and a 7th for an NHL average goaltender(no mean feat on a team as bad as the Oilers) is a very workable price.

No.

Jones was traded by LA along with the #13 pick to Boston in exchange for Lucic and a plug. Boston then traded Jones and a prospect to SJ for their first round pick this year, which will probably be in the #18–20 range.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

if Murray is the real deal in the playoffs you would have to think the Penguins would be trying hard to unload Fleury over the summer for cap relief. He's actually been very good the past few seasons so taking on the last two years of his deal wouldn't be that bad as a placeholder for Gillies.

If there is an expansion franchise granted this summer, than I would agree with posters above that the Penguins would do well to hold Fleury with the intent to expose him in the expansion draft. Running with a Murray/Fleury tandem would not be a bad thing for them tab all, and it rhymes.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Cliff: 1st and a prospect + top 9 roster player or 1st and a 2nd + prospect would be my guess. I recall Talbot and Jones fetched a pretty good return did they not? and these would be much higher caliber, proven commodities.

Maybe in some circumstances. But with the expansion draft pending, goalies' values will be substantially less.

TB will protect Vasilevski, not Bishop. Yes, I know his contract will expire, so that will impact whether they sign him and for how much.

No doubt they will look to trade him.

And the thing is, no other teams will be willing to give up much for him for the same reason - they can only protect one goalie.

The Flames are in a very unique position, having no goalies to protect (other than Ortio). Most teams will have at least 2. And thus won't have an appetite to pick up another.

[Demetric]

but if NMC/NTC are forced to be protected they will have to protect fleury and expose murry ... I am going to wait till the annoucement comes before specualting wildly on wehter or not the NMC/NTC have to be protected or not or how the 25% rules will come into play and how pending UFAs (and RFAs for that matter), on and not to mention what actually consitiute a year of pro (games played or contract years burned) ... so yeah anything is possible

[bax]

Call me crazy, but I don't see the pens trading Fleury. He is universally loved and admired in that dressing room and a major piece to their leadership core.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

if Murray is the real deal in the playoffs you would have to think the Penguins would be trying hard to unload Fleury over the summer for cap relief. He's actually been very good the past few seasons so taking on the last two years of his deal wouldn't be that bad as a placeholder for Gillies.

MAF has three more years at $5.75 per with a NMC, so that's one year too many for me to be perfect. His injury problems are starting to be a distraction as well but yeah he'd be an improvement on what we have.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

If Fleury has to be protected due to his NMC then that makes him less appealing to the Flames as we'd potentially lose Gillies.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

MAF has three more years at $5.75 per with a NMC, so that's one year too many for me to be perfect. His injury problems are starting to be a distraction as well but yeah he'd be an improvement on what we have.

A former Stanley Cup winner, with 12 years of NHL experience, who is only 31 years old, had 10 shutouts just last season, and has been averaging 2.30 GAA and .917 Sv% over his last 6 seasons?

You're damn right he's an upgrade on what we have.

It's not a risk at all to pick up his contract at a very reasonable salary for someone with that sort of resume. 3 years is about how long it's going to take Gillies, McDonald, or whatever goalie we develop to become a starter. Goalies take an exceptionally long time to bake, as we've seen with Ortio who is only now showing that he could probably be an NHL goalie, and only a backup at that.

Take the sure thing. Fleury or Bishop are the best options available, and the fact that they're available at all right now is great news for Calgary since normally guys like that are never available, even through a trade.

I'm comfortable with Treliving offering any non NHL level asset that isn't our 1st round pick this year. Even then, I'd think twice if say Tampa were to offer Drouin in a package with Bishop.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

If Fleury has to be protected due to his NMC then that makes him less appealing to the Flames as we'd potentially lose Gillies.

Don't think Gillies qualifies (real debate a few weeks ago, I think Friedman put it to bed)

Flames could expose Ortio though.

[Fan in Exile]

If everyone is ready to anoint Murray based on his 12 games and presume Fleury is available for a trade, how about Reimer's record in San Jose?

1.62 GAA, .938 save percentage and 3 shutouts with a record of 6-2.

Acquisition cost: zero

How in the world is MAF and his salary a better target than Reimer?