[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have inquired about Pittsburgh Goalie Matt Murray

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That's if he allows them to trade him. His NTC lets him list 12 teams he will accept a trade to. All he has to do is name 12 teams with established high paid starters and it becomes very unlikely they can trade him.

He might be more open to the idea if they tell him that he won't be protected in the expansion draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That's if he allows them to trade him. His NTC lets him list 12 teams he will accept a trade to. All he has to do is name 12 teams with established high paid starters and it becomes very unlikely they can trade him.

Where are you getting that MAF has a NTC? According to sites like general fanager he has a NMC.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Where are you getting that MAF has a NTC? According to sites like general fanager he has a NMC.

He has a NMC with a modified NTC per generalfanager
http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1588

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Where are you getting that MAF has a NTC? According to sites like general fanager he has a NMC.

Ok, I see it now. Doesn't matter in regards to expansion draft, that is only in a trade scenario so regardless Pittsburgh will have to protect him unless they can get him to waive. Got it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

He might be more open to the idea if they tell him that he won't be protected in the expansion draft.

This is the post that had thrown me off. He can't be exposed, they will have to protect him.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is the post that had thrown me off. He can't be exposed, they will have to protect him.

Hmm I thought he just had a NTC, my bad. Pittsburgh might be forced to trade Murray.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Hmm I thought he just had a NTC, my bad

Well reading in the other thread the NHL's stance in their mind is that NMC players can be exposed but they still have to negotiate it with the NHLPA. In no way do I see the NHLPA and the players going for that. A guy like MA Fleury for example negotiated a NMC to stay in Pittsburgh and he has a say on teams he can't be traded to. Do you think a guy like that wants to go to an expansion team after negotiating that? Not a chance.

[Firebot]

I still think that Reimer is the best option for the Flames to go for, and at the same time, is the most likely to be picked up based on the team's needs, and based on Reimer's needs. Reimer does not want to be a backup, and Calgary desperately needs a proper starter.

I can foresee Treleving trading a 3rd for the rights to Reimer before he becomes an UFA, signing him on 2 year x 2.8-3 million a year deal. May sound ridiculous, but I really think this will happen.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well reading in the other thread the NHL's stance in their mind is that NMC players can be exposed but they still have to negotiate it with the NHLPA. In no way do I see the NHLPA and the players going for that. A guy like MA Fleury for example negotiated a NMC to stay in Pittsburgh and he has a say on teams he can't be traded to. Do you think a guy like that wants to go to an expansion team after negotiating that? Not a chance.

Oh for sure, those NMCs are going to be a tricky situation. I doubt the NHL forces teams to use a slot on them though, they will probably just be exempt IMO. If enough big markets are effected, they will get their way I imagine. This is the the NHL we're taking about, they love their half measures.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Oh for sure, those NMCs are going to be a tricky situation. I doubt the NHL forces teams to use a slot on them though, they will probably just be exempt IMO. If enough big markets are effected, they will get their way I imagine. This is the the NHL we're taking about, they love their half measures.

Which way would benefit the LA Kings the most? That's probably the way the rule be set in terms of needing to protect NMCs.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Which way would benefit the LA Kings the most? That's probably the way the rule be set in terms of needing to protect NMCs.

Exactly

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Oh for sure, those NMCs are going to be a tricky situation. I doubt the NHL forces teams to use a slot on them though, they will probably just be exempt IMO. If enough big markets are effected, they will get their way I imagine. This is the the NHL we're taking about, they love their half measures.

Well in the other thread regarding the expansion draft Bill Daily was saying that in the NHL's view there is nothing in the CBA about NMC protecting a guy from expansion and that they can be exposed and if you want to protect them you have to use a slot. He also said it would still have to be negotiated with the NHLPA. There is no way I see the NHLPA allowing that. I can see why the NHL would love to go give GM's a get out of jail free card with contracts or expose guys who will hit UFA status in a month after the draft but there is about no chance the players will go for that.

[JJ1532]

Just an update on Murray. Has played 12 games with the Penguins, has a 9-2-1 record, a .927 sv% and a 2.01 GAA. Is he the real deal? Or is this just a classic hot start from a rookie goaltender infront of a team that is on fire?

[puckedoff]

Honestly I think the Pens have a better shot at the cup with Murray than with Fleury. Fleury is typically brutal for softies in the playoffs.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Just an update on Murray. Has played 12 games with the Penguins, has a 9-2-1 record, a .927 sv% and a 2.01 GAA. Is he the real deal? Or is this just a classic hot start from a rookie goaltender infront of a team that is on fire?

They held him in high regard and now he is delivering so i would say real deal. Have to think the odds of Pitt trading Murray now are close to 0. Fleury will more than likely be available. Would have no problem if the flames picked him up. I would take Fleury over any UFA. His contract term is perfect if Gillies becomes the real deal.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

They held him in high regard and now he is delivering so i would say real deal. Have to think the odds of Pitt trading Murray now are close to 0. Fleury will more than likely be available. Would have no problem if the flames picked him up. I would take Fleury over any UFA. His contract term is perfect if Gillies becomes the real deal.

I mentioned this in the Draft thread, but now I wonder if the Pens hold on to him and expose him in the expansion draft because of the 25% rule? The Pens have to protect a lot of expensive guys, so they will have a tough time hitting 25% as it is, let alone if they dump Fleury's contract...

[activeStick]

This may be it for Fleury as Pittsburgh's starting goalie. If he's not ready to start the playoffs, I can see Murray answering the bell forcing Fleury to the bench even when he's cleared to play.

[Poe969]

The pens would just expose Kessel because I doubt any team takes him, and if they did it would probably help the pens out.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The pens would just expose Kessel because I doubt any team takes him, and if they did it would probably help the pens out.

Maybe. Also, NMCs might factor in here too. If MAF has one, they will definitely try to trade him, so that they don't have to protect him. Kessel probably has one too... You guys who know all this stuff can let me know.

[CliffFletcher]

What would Fleury cost in a trade? What would Bishop cost? So hard to gauge the trade value of starting goalies.