Every time I eat at Little Lebanon, their chicken always tastes old and microwaved. Am I the only one? My go to is Shawarma Knight... their meat has a specific seasoning that gets me hooked.
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I had both ham and steak for dinner tonight. I think that was unethical because I facilitated some sort of inter-species, necrophiliac encounter on my plate.
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Reading this thread reminds me of when you have a friend that suddenly finds religion and all they do is preach because they are so brainwashed into thinking their new way is the only way.
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I'm trying to find some good articles about the differences between the various digestive systems, and I get half saying we are carnivores and half saying herbivores
Humans are omnivores. One of the biggest reasons why humans do so well everywhere actually: we can live on pretty much anything, and our bodies are great at turning things we eat into things our bodies need. However, I've never much cared for biology as a reasons for doing or not doing something. Humans were not "designed" to do anything, we just are, and over time we've made countless decisions to move away from our hunter-gatherer roots in the African savannahs. Just because we can eat meat is not a reason to do it.
One of the most amazing things about humans is how well we have managed to cut out most of violence out of our lives. I know people often think humans are somehow super-violent as a species, but really we're not. We can easily form huge collectives that mostly live quite peacefully internally and without conflict with our neighbours. Violence towards other humans is an exception to our daily lives, not the norm. (To the point where violence is now almost always news when it happens.)
To me it seems that cutting out violence towards animals is a somewhat inevitable next step, for environmental reasons as well as ethical.
As for ethics, for me personally, I don't really care (much) about how the animal has died. I just don't think it really matters that much. I'm sure dying generally sucks. I do however care about how the animals have lived. This is why pretty much all the meat I eat these days (pork and lamb) come from farms I know. Out of the house I'm mostly vegetarian.
Even at home I eat vegeterian probably 50-60% of the time, because it's cheap, tasty and I've noticed that eating less meat is good for my digestion. Less meat means less stomach burns, which then let's me do more of other unhealthy but lovely things such as drinking scotch
I'm pretty sure hunting as a spiritual, respectful practice falls into the same category as people pushing their dogs around in baby carriers. Respect as with love is just a justification for weird behavior. Everybody loves shooting things in the face. I don't think the animals are feeling the respect. That said, hunt till your heart is content. What do I care.
One of the most amazing things about humans is how well we have managed to cut out most of violence out of our lives. I know people often think humans are somehow super-violent as a species, but really we're not. We can easily form huge collectives that mostly live quite peacefully internally and without conflict with our neighbours. Violence towards other humans is an exception to our daily lives, not the norm. (To the point where violence is now almost always news when it happens.)
No we can't. Not easily. It's only in the past couple of hundred years that there's even an argument that this is the case. That's what, 0.1% of the history of our species? Prior to that, most of human history was spent in small tribal groups who were suspicious of anyone outside their small tribal group because the guys the next valley over were fully prepared to kill you and take your stuff.
Our instincts have evolved accordingly with the way we've lived for most of our existence as a species, and these instincts manifest themselves all the time. They have to be overcome in order to preserve this sort-of-peaceful global society we've tenuously created.
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Btw, I'm kind of excited about the potential of lab-grown meat.
Currently at 80$/kg, with so-so taste. Some are saying it's 20-30 years from viable industrial production, but that sounds somewhat pessimistic to me.
Yeah I posted about this in the other thread. There's a big difference between being able to make a burger patty out of bovine cells and being able to make a steak, with all the same consistency and texture of that sort of cut of meat. These guys suggest that they can do ground beef and things like sausages pretty accurately at the moment.
They're hoping to get to market in 3-4 years, which is a more optimistic timeline than you suggest. There's a really good interview with the CEO here starting at 19:00 on the dot. Worth a listen.
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I wonder what will happen to cows, chickens and pigs once we can grow meat. I can't imagine anyone keeping cattle for the fun of it. Maybe we will have a few "cattle reserves" where they roam freely.
Iceland's existance is dependent on meat and without it we would not exist today.
Not eating meat is a 1st world privilege.
SHOGUN Privilege as in we live in a part of the world where the grocery store is devoid of seasons, with some exceptions. Nearly 365, the fruits and veggies that are available to us never changes. Your diet isn't restricted by what can be grown around your "house".
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You don't think 11 months of being a vegan is amazing? I think so.
Hey, instead of talking about small dicks you tell us about how you got to where you are now. Was it an epiphany as you say on the couch with the meat sweats?
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No we can't. Not easily. It's only in the past couple of hundred years that there's even an argument that this is the case. That's what, 0.1% of the history of our species? Prior to that, most of human history was spent in small tribal groups who were suspicious of anyone outside their small tribal group because the guys the next valley over were fully prepared to kill you and take your stuff.
Cities with thousands of people, which is a very big community for animals of our size, have existed for at least 9000 years. Cities first started to break the 10,000 resident limit about 6000 years ago. The 100,000 resident limit has been broken for about 4000 years, and 1 million residents about 2000 years ago.
Ever since the invention of farming, communities of hundreds have been perfectly normal, and even before that we lived in packs of dozens of people, which I believe is larger than any other hunting mammal. Humans are a very communal species, and essentially we've always formed communities that are as large as our current level of technology and logistics will allow.
But more importantly, that image of village life you're painting bares little resemblance to what is known about tribal village life. Villages and even hunter-gatherer groups, as far as we know, mostly co-existed quite peacefully, trading goods and marrying their kids to one another. Hunter-gatherers have traveled great distances to meet others of their kind for thousands of years. Markets are much older than written history. Typical tribal warfare on the other hand is well known to be generally a rather bloodless afair, with much beating of chests but rarely a lot of actual violence and certainly not a lot of deaths. (There are notable exceptions of course.)
Of course that's not to say that a lot of violence hasn't also been around. But communities and people in general for the most part have worked together more than they have ever fought each other.
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