[Trade] Hudler traded to Florida for 2016 2nd + 2018 4th round picks

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's some pretty solid cherry picking there. Holy crap.

No crazier than all the people saying Polak returned two 2nd round picks.

Neither is a factually correct statement.

[Trailer Fire]

I admit I was hoping for a 1st+ if we retained some salary, and was hoping we would. I was expecting somewhere in the neighbourhood of the GlenX trade. Anywhere from a 2nd+4th to 2nd+2nd or a B rated prospect.

I'm not unhappy with this return. Calgary has looked good drafting on the 4th. Let's get as many 4ths as possible.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

People sure don't seem to value second round picks when we trade assets for them the way they seem to value them when we give them up to acquire assets.

[BrownDrake]

The nice thing about two 2nd's is the ability to trade down a bit or increase the probability of hitting on one of them.

[Bingo]

Plus a 2nd round pick the day a veteran is traded is sort of anti-climactic. Then months down the road it's currency or suddenly a flesh and blood human being again.

I was worried about Baertschi for a 2nd this time last year, ... that was fraught with disaster.

But now that it's Rasmus Andersson I'd do that deal 100 times out of 100

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

It's gonna be hard to replace Hudler both internally and in free agency. A winger who can be on your top line is always hard to replace. I think the Flames would've resigned him if it wasn't for the bad contracts already on the team. Smid, Raymond, Stajan, Hiller and Engelland cost this team a good talent

depends on whether resigning him would mean taking on a bad contract...

Hey, i like hudler, but at 32, one would be out of their mind to sign him to anything above a 3-4 year contract at 3.5 million avv...

i would presume that huds and his agent was looking for at least that...

a second round + for Hudler is solid.

[BrownDrake]

Too small and too old when this team is going to be a contender. Good return given his underperformance this year and how he disappeared in the playoffs.

We will be a bubble team for next year and possibly the year after (if goaltending not fixed), probably we begin our ascent in the standings to a top 12 team in 17/18 or 18/19.

Honestly think our window will be 3 to 5 years starting in 2018/19 season. Probably making our last first round pick for awhile after the 2017 draft, after that we are likely a top 16 team and looking for help at the deadline.

[Kavvy]

I love how people are frustrated that this doesn't live up to the Glencross trade.

Oh, BT must be declining because he only got good value for a player!

This implies that BT would have more respect from these fans today if he got less for Glencross, so he wouldn't need to live up to that trade anymore.

Very backwards

[Strange Brew]

It will be interesting to see how much interest there is Hulder this summer. That will also help evaluate the trade.
I don't see many suggesting BT got fleeced or that he screwed up. There are several people, myself included, that expected the second pick to be received to be better than a 4th rounder 3 drafts from now. If we are talking about the 2018 draft, I would have hoped that pick was a second rounder also. Whether that is poor trading or just market value IDK. I do know the last GM was fired because Burke thought he was not able to get FMV in trades.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

People sure don't seem to value second round picks when we trade assets for them the way they seem to value them when we give them up to acquire assets.

Human nature. Someone who loses $100 will lose more satisfaction than another person will gain satisfaction from winning $100. You also value what you own more than an identical item that someone else owns.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm a commodity trader. Sometimes when the market seems poised to move up I back up my offer and let bids come to me. The risk in that is the upward blip is short lived and you miss your chance to sell at what you would have accepted.

If you have say two units (players) to sell, it's better to sell one in an upward market and then back the offer back on the 2nd one. If it's a blip you get one done, if it's a full on push upward you get one done where you thought fair and the other at a premium.

At the end of the day you need to move assets for something or they just walk away for nothing.

If the upward move turns into a free fall you're hitting bids and making sure you don't get stuck.

All gut and experience.

Really surprised at the negativity for this trade, poll shocks me.

Agree with all the trading strategy.

Just don't agree with the price you set for the first asset. It all comes down to what you think Hudler is worth.

Not that hard to understand really.

[Enoch Root]

No one is saying we got robbed on the trade, some people (about half) just think it's a little underwhelming - less than great, if you will.

How is that difficult to understand?

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one is saying we got robbed on the trade, some people (about half) just think it's a little underwhelming - less than great, if you will.

How is that difficult to understand?

Well, because of posts like this:

Originally Posted by Flame$4Ever

We got ripped off...####ty trade

Why is so hard to understand that some of us are wondering why people think this was a bad trade? I have no idea how many of these posts there are in this thread, I just know I clicked random pages and found one on my second attempt.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Good trade, fans have only themselves to blame for their disappointment in the return.

Assessing the value of the return is a matter of opinion.

About half of the fans here think it was good to great. About half think it was less than great.

Dismissing almost half the opinions as incorrect, and some sort of personal failure, is the only personal failure I have seen in this thread.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I think the people who think we got ripped off probably don't know how valuable 2nd rounders are.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Well, because of posts like this:




Why is so hard to understand that some of us are wondering why people think this was a bad trade? I have no idea how many of these posts there are in this thread, I just know I clicked random pages and found one on my second attempt.

You found an extreme post - good for you.

You can't understand why some people have a different opinion than you? Really?

The vast majority of people that aren't thrilled are simply saying it was mediocre to slightly underwhelming.

I understand why some people like it more than I do (and I don't hate it by any stretch).

But not understanding that there are a range of opinions is a bit baffling to me.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Assessing the value of the return is a matter of opinion.

About half of the fans here think it was good to great. About half think it was less than great.

Dismissing almost half the opinions as incorrect, and some sort of personal failure, is the only personal failure I have seen in this thread.

He got the best return he could. He didn't have a NTC to deal with, he wasn't worried about making a rival stronger. He called everyone and took the best offer. How is that hard to understand? It's not like someone was offering him more and he said "nah, I want less".

Assessments of guys running the NHL teams is what matters in the end.

It's like BT said, you want to sell your house for a huge profit but it's only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You found an extreme post - good for you.

.

You said "no one" and in 15 seconds I found "one". I will not scour a thread to find other posts for you. My other post in this thread, which was referring to the Glencross trade, was in response to a post about how BT was on the decline because of how much more Glencross got.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can't understand why some people have a different opinion than you? Really?

As for this, I am really confused on where you are heading. Nothing I have said has implied this- I have only stated why I believe they are wrong - that doesn't mean I don't understand that people have alternate opinion.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The vast majority of people that aren't thrilled are simply saying it was mediocre to slightly underwhelming.

I understand why some people like it more than I do (and I don't hate it by any stretch).

But not understanding that there are a range of opinions is a bit baffling to me.

Awesome? You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

He got the best return he could. He didn't have a NTC to deal with, he wasn't worried about making a rival stronger. He called everyone and took the best offer. How is that hard to understand? It's not like someone was offering him more and he said "nah, I want less".



Assessments of guys running the NHL teams is what matters in the end.



It's like BT said, you want to sell your house for a huge profit but it's only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

Of course he took the best offer he had. The question is whether he could get a better offer tomorrow as other dominoes fall. He obviously didn't think that he would or at least was happy with the bird in the hand. I guess we'll see what trades look like tomorrow.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Why is so hard to understand that some of us are wondering why people think this was a bad trade?

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can't understand why some people have a different opinion than you? Really?

Originally Posted by Kavvy

As for this, I am really confused on where you are heading. Nothing I have said has implied this- I have only stated why I believe they are wrong - that doesn't mean I don't understand that people have alternate opinion.

that's all I meant