May 2015 Provincial Election Thread v2

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Like I said.. "If it's true"

so like i said, please post a source. Your link didn't mention anything about wind farms...It's ok if your source is your buddy who was at the event, but post that.

If this is true, it would be horrible:

The NDP rigged the election by holding guns to the heads of every voter. Not figurative guns, but actual guns.

No source though.... but if true........

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by polak

What are you talking about? Contractors are regulated heavily by OH&S.

Your argument is basically "Well if people who operate illegally can do it, we should too".

Solid. Just admit it. There is no reason that farms, of any size, should be exempt. Not a single one. You just want farmers to be treated like the special snowflakes they think they are.

He is saying that if you are building your deck and I come to help you, you should need WCB.

Does that make sense? Its what people are saying about family farms.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

To me this is precursor legislation to begin unionizing farm workers. I guess Notley's husband is in her ear after all.

Or is common sense legaslation to bring Alberta on side with every. single. other. province.

Or its a conspiracy I guess. Whatevers easier.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He is saying that if you are building your deck and I come to help you, you should need WCB.

Does that make sense? Its what people are saying about family farms.

Only if he pays you.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Or is common sense legaslation to bring Alberta on side with every. single. other. province.

Or its a conspiracy I guess. Whatevers easier.

It actually goes above and beyond the other provinces. Which have exceptions from family farms.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Only if he pays you.

From my understanding Bill 6 requires it regardless if they are paid or not.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He is saying that if you are building your deck and I come to help you, you should need WCB.

Does that make sense? Its what people are saying about family farms.

If you're building a deck for yourself, that's not a business. So unless farmers are growing crops or raising animals for themselves and not for any profit, they should not be exempt.

So yes. If you're talking about self sustaining farms that don't generate any money, then okay. Exempt. If the farm is a business that generates revenue, then it's a business like every other business and should not be exempt.

Should family run auto shops or trucking outfits or warehouses be exempt from OH&S?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Weitz

From my understanding Bill 6 requires it regardless if they are paid or not.

Nope.

You and apparently a few thousand farmers should actually read the bill. It's only like 4 pages long:

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/ISYS/LADDA...1_bill-006.pdf

[Locke]

I never really realized this was an issue. So if someone is working on a farm and gets an arm lopped off in Alberta what happens? They cant collect WCB so do they just walk it off and get back to work?

Does some sort of Government program recompense them in some way or do they just get on with their daily lives?

I mean, making WCB mandatory seems a bit...bureaucratic but theres a degree of logic to it.

Lets just ramble a bit.

If farmers dont contribute to WCB but the Government-funded health system has to patch these poor limbless folks up then the Government is essentially just requiring farmers to subsidize their own dismemberments. Which seems fair.

Where it gets sticky is the fact that the people being so callously de-limbified arent actually 'employees.' Rather they're probably casual labour or contractors and as such would be responsible for their own WCB?

So if we boil it down to brass tax then really its just being mandated that these people have to pay to insure themselves against unwilling spontaneous amputation.

That doesnt seem very NDP to me, arent they supposed to just take care of everyone?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Nope.

You and apparently a few thousand farmers should actually read the bill. It's only like 4 pages long:

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/ISYS/LADDA...1_bill-006.pdf

I mean unless every article I have read is wrong, and you are not...

The rules would apply to all farm and ranch workers, whether they are paid or not. Occupational Health and Safety legislation already applies to all other industries in the Alberta.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...bill-1.3323407

[PsYcNeT]

So there exist employees in the world that don't get paid?

Who knew.

Yeah I'm just interning at this farm for the summer until I move onto the meat packing plant. You know, moving horizontally within the industry for experience.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So there exist employees in the world that don't get paid?

Who knew.

Yeah I'm just interning at this farm for the summer until I move onto the meat packing plant. You know, moving horizontally within the industry for experience.

Or you know, I go out to my buddies farm and help him for a day and he doesn't pay me... Which happens a lot in the farming industry.

Kids, wifes, extended families etc..

[calculoso]

workers =/= employees

[PsYcNeT]

What an adorable special snowflake industry. I wonder if I could invite a buddy to come by and compile these reports for me.

[PsYcNeT]

Hey dude I'm kind of sick today, can you swing by and weld this for me? You're swell.

[vegasbound]

I actually went to the "town hall meeting" (only the NDP would call it that while we were standing in a PARKING lot at the Best Western) in Okotoks yesterday. Honestly, there were no answers given. None. A whole bunch of mumbling and cliched responses. As to whether the Hutterites are covered by WCB- no answers on that either! Carlier says no, the Hutterite who spoke said he is under the understanding by speaking to someone in WCB that they are.

A woman asked a very good question- is all of our machinery going to be grandfathered in under OHS? Carlier just looked dumbfounded and said "we never thought of that." SERIOUSLY!?!? That was one of my first thoughts about this.

The Amendments that Sigurdson said are coming have not been released to the public. The Wildrose and PC's managed yet another session of getting this bill adjourned. It has NOT passed second reading.

There is a huge rally going on in Edmonton right now and one in Lethbridge. I'm p*ssed and farmers and ranchers across Alberta are even more mad than I am about the ineptitude of the NDP during this. You can't simply pass a 12 page bill (I read the whole thing) and then say, well.... The FAQ's that the government put out at the beginning of this mess clearly said that WCB and OHS apply to everyone, including family farms. They've taken that FAQ down a couple times and edited it another couple times.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What an adorable special snowflake industry. I wonder if I could invite a buddy to come by and compile these reports for me.

I dont understand. Your argument is that Farming is just like everything else? That as far as industries go farming is exactly the same as collating reports?

Because its idiotic to believe that different industries shouldnt operate within the parameters of their environments.

By that standard Taco Bell would have to maintain the same health and safety standards as NASA.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What an adorable special snowflake industry. I wonder if I could invite a buddy to come by and compile these reports for me.

Well I now know you have no idea what your talking about

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont understand. Your argument is that Farming is just like everything else? That as far as industries go farming is exactly the same as collating reports?

Because its idiotic to believe that different industries shouldnt operate within the parameters of their environments.

By that standard Taco Bell would have to maintain the same health and safety standards as NASA.

Compare it to whatever you want, I suppose a better comparison would be any labour job ever, all of which have better (read: existent) OH&S/WCB coverage than farms.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Or you know, I go out to my buddies farm and help him for a day and he doesn't pay me... Which happens a lot in the farming industry.

Kids, wifes, extended families etc..

So because farmers occasionally help other farmers out, their entire enterprise should be totally exempt from OH&S regulations? So my buddy is a plumber, occasionally, he'll get a friend to help him move or install something and he doesn't pay him. So in your world, because that happens, his business should be entirely exempt from OH&S?

I love how the farmers harp this angle too. "We're such a tight nit, awesome culture of love and caring and helping each other out in exchange for hugs and kisses".

What about "Hey, Johnny, broke his arm cause he fell of that ledge over there and can't work for the next month. Well Johnny is #### out of luck, so what if there should have been a railing there. He should know better."