[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by polak

What's the difference between a missed breakaway and no breakaway?

Originally Posted by Poe969

You have to see polak's point here. Sure, he got lots of breakaways but he didn't score and although he did contribute to the team's success last season, it didn't end the way the team wanted it to.

Showing some hockey ignorance here.

What's the difference between a missed breakaway and no breakaway? Is this for real?

How about the fact that when you're on a breakaway you are driving the puck to the net in the oppositions zone?

That means the opposition is not in a position to score on you.

How many of those breakaways were due to Byron stripping the puck of the oppositions stick? He was so good at takeaways. He is a smart player.

I have a feeling the Flames were hoping Byron passed through waivers which would have given them some good flexibility for the next month.

Montreal scouts have obviously done their job and scooped him up.

I hope he finally puts it all together and rips it up in the East. He will be missed, especially if the Flames run into injuries up front.

Best of luck Paul, thanks for the never give up, relentless workhorse, tough to play against style of hockey you brought to the Flames.

[bax]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Iggy is slow and a bit lazy these days, not very fun to watch. That's all.

So slow he couldn't even out score Mackinnon, Duchene, or Landeskog!

Oh wait....

Back to Byron. Really bummed to see him go, but that's part of building a team. I wish him all the best in Montreal and now I finally have a reason to not completely dislike the Habs. Go get em Spullll

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Iggy is slow and a bit lazy these days, not very fun to watch. That's all.

I am insulted.

[Reign of Fire]

sorry wrong thread

[FireGilbert]

Byron getting claimed makes me a sad Panda. Best of luck with the Habs, I can almost guarantee he will end up scoring a breakaway goal against the Flames.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

I'll be sad to see Byron go. While I think his importance is somewhat overstated on these boards he was a player who gave his all every shift, and I always love a guy who will leave it all on the ice. Really hope he gets a real shot at playing in Montreal.

Raymond, you had to figure that a team putting in a claim was a dream. At the very least he'll be in the press box most nights barring injuries.

[polak]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Showing some hockey ignorance here.

What's the difference between a missed breakaway and no breakaway? Is this for real?

How about the fact that when you're on a breakaway you are driving the puck to the net in the oppositions zone?

That means the opposition is not in a position to score on you.

How many of those breakaways were due to Byron stripping the puck of the oppositions stick? He was so good at takeaways. He is a smart player.

All that driving the puck towards the oppositions zone still netted him a grand total of 19 points. Simply not good enough for this team.

He was 5th on the team in takeaways per game. Solid but hardly great enough to build a case for him being worth keeping over some younger guys considering his lack of effectiveness in other parts of the game.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by bax

So slow he couldn't even out score Mackinnon, Duchene, or Landeskog!

Oh wait....

Back to Byron. Really bummed to see him go, but that's part of building a team. I wish him all the best in Montreal and now I finally have a reason to not completely dislike the Habs. Go get em Spullll

you don't have to be fast to stand in the slot with the stick lifted waiting for a one timer, I could do that part.

[Coach]

I don't think people are arguing we should have kept him over others, just arguing that he is a decent NHL player and that, despite his tough luck on breakaways, the driving the puck into the ozone, forcing D to watch for that pass, and the general momentum that is generated by his play (whether it's breakaways, the "little guy" being physical, etc..) is beneficial.

He'll do well in MTL and I hope he does, he's worked his tail off. He's the type of guy that, if he can gain any smidge of a scoring touch, he could be very dangerous.

[bax]

Originally Posted by AcGold

you don't have to be fast to stand in the slot with the stick lifted waiting for a one timer, I could do that part.

Okay ACgold, I'm sure an NHL team could use the 59 points you would put up. Suit up partner!

[GranteedEV]

[Caged Great]

Size does matter when you're in a division like ours. We play too many big teams between the Sharks, Kings, Ducks and Jets. If a team is big and skilled like those, it is difficult to push through if you're not also big and skilled. Losing Byron sucks, but the Flames have more than enough talent in the organization to replace him without losing much if anything from the talent pool.

It sucks losing Byron, and I wish him all the best in Montreal, but the Flames will be fine moving forward without him. It opens a spot for a guy like Granlund/Poirier/Klimchuk to come up during the season to take a spot. That's more important in my book. We are going to have to transition from some of the vets to new people. This is just another step in that direction.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by bax

Okay ACgold, I'm sure an NHL team could use the 59 points you would put up. Suit up partner!

Reading comp man, drop the condescension, pick up a book.

[Azure]

If the Flames want to win the cup they will have to be able to beat teams like the Ducks.

Byron isn't part of that simply because he's too small and because of the style he plays will always be at a disadvantage.

Clearly Montreal hasn't learned anything yet.

[dustygoon]

And.......I'm over it.

[bax]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Reading comp man, drop the condescension, pick up a book.

Sorry man, but you don't lead an NHL team in scoring at the age of 37 by being slow and lazy. The original comment was off base and by agreeing with it you are only showing that either you didn't watch the aves a whole lot or that your analysis of hockey players is poor.

Thanks for the tip, maybe I will pick up a new book tonight.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by bax

Sorry man, but you don't lead an NHL team in scoring at the age of 37 by being slow and lazy. The original comment was off base and by agreeing with it you are only showing that either you didn't watch the aves a whole lot or that your analysis of hockey players is poor.

Thanks for the tip, maybe I will pick up a new book tonight.

What I obviously meant is his strongest skill is his shot. He's still got one of the best in the league he's just not fast at getting to open areas. Of course he's not lazy, he lifts heavy weights and does yoga all the time.

[Brad Marsh]

The tough part for me is that they didn't need to waive him to get to the 23-man roster. Lost the asset and the player but for for what purpose?

I'm sure the team will be fine, and this will give another youn player a chance, which is good, but this didn't need to happen at all as far as I can see.

Liked Byron a lot. He was fun to cheer for and he played well for the Flames. Wish him well.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

The tough part for me is that they didn't need to waive him to get to the 23-man roster. Lost the asset and the player but for for what purpose?

I'm sure the team will be fine, and this will give another youn player a chance, which is good, but this didn't need to happen at all as far as I can see.

Liked Byron a lot. He was fun to cheer for and he played well for the Flames. Wish him well.

From the videos it sounds like they were trying to sneak him into the AHL to see if he could stay healthy.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Azure

If the Flames want to win the cup they will have to be able to beat teams like the Ducks.

Byron isn't part of that simply because he's too small and because of the style he plays will always be at a disadvantage.

That's a ridiculous argument. The Ducks have small players too - Hagelin, Cogliano, Vatanen.

Honest question - you think Kris Russell's size poses less of a problem in our top 4 defense than Paul Byron's size as a depth forward? Replacing Byron with, say, Hathaway doesn't change how the Flames match up to the Ducks, for instance. Replacing Russell with, say, Hjalmarsson, is the kind of move that changes how the Flames match up to the Ducks. What do you think is more of a problem, how Byron matches up against Sami Vatanen and Clayton Stoner or how Russell matches up against Getzlaf and Perry and Kesler and Silvferberg?

People constantly throw around these generalizations that the Flames are too small to beat the Ducks, when the Ducks beat a bigger team in the Jets and were beat by a smaller team in the Blackhawks. It's never that cut-and-dry. I remember Treliving even saying that when Bouma and Ferland returned during the Ducks series, he thought "we were the bigger team". But we weren't the better team.

The Ducks were beat by a team rolling smaller guys like Kane, Shaw, Teravainen.

Clearly Montreal hasn't learned anything yet.

You do realize Montreal were defeated by a team with Tyler Johnson, Nikita Kucherov, Ryan Callahan, Anton Stralman, among other 6'0" and smaller players, right?

Sorry man, but you don't lead an NHL team in scoring at the age of 37 by being slow and lazy.

Well I disagree. You can be slow, lazy, and still have a ton of talent. I'm sure Iggy is a hard worker off the ice, but when I say lazy I mean he's not playing with a fire under his ass. He's not.