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Textcritic · 10-02-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by herashak

I havent watched really any pres season hockey. Did kulak look like a legit NHL dman? Ive always been high on his pro potential.

Kulak looks like he is right there. If he isn't already a NHL defenseman, then he will be by this time next year.

It was a long time ago and circumstances were quite different, but watching Kulak this camp has reminded me of how Brodie stood out in his 2011 training camp.

Textcritic · 10-02-2015, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry David

Culkin is injured is he not? I'm pretty sure he meant Wilson

I think it is more likely Nakladal, but before his injury Culkin looked really, really good at the Young Stars Tournament. I thought in September that he would be the one to be pushing for a spot.

SuperMatt18 · 10-02-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hadn't really looked at it but the progression is interesting...

TJ Brodie:

Draft Year: 0.44ppg
Draft +1 : 0.79ppg
Draft + 2 : 0.86ppg
AHL Y1 : 0.50ppg

Ryan Culkin:

Draft Year: 0.42ppg
Draft +1 : 0.67ppg
Draft + 2 : 0.80ppg
AHL Y1 : 0.49ppg

I know points aren't really the whole story. And it was Brodie developing his 200ft game that really made him the player he is but in terms of pure offensive progression Culkin has taken very similar steps of improvement to Brodie.

Kulak started the year in the ECHL but a similar progression once he did work his way up as well.

Brett Kulak:

Draft Year : 0.33ppg
Draft +1 : 0.61ppg
Draft + 2 : 0.86ppg
ECHL Y1 : 0.77ppg
AHL Y1 : 0.5ppg

If either of those guys could turn into half as good a player as Brodie is that would be a win for this team.

Posted this in the summer prospect thread, and the progression between Culkin, Kulak, and Brodie is very similar.

Kulak had a step back at the start of last year with the stint in the ECHL, but he responded to it and has improved because of it.

Larry David · 10-02-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is more likely Nakladal, but before his injury Culkin looked really, really good at the Young Stars Tournament. I thought in September that he would be the one to be pushing for a spot.

Except Nakladal was sent down with Wotherspoon and Wilson is still around.

FBI · 10-02-2015, 02:12 PM

Congrats to Kulak! Less than a year ago he was in the ECHL!

mile · 10-02-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Wotherspoon is Gormley 3.0 (Gormley 2.0 is up in Edmonton right now)

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Kulak and Culkin.

Can we stop presenting these as absolutes?

How Wotherspoon takes the demotion will decide whether or not he'll end up like Gormley. It's still early.

Kulak and Wilson are still at camp, so it's likely Hartley is referring to those two. Or even Nakladal. Culkin hasn't even skated at training camp.

Textcritic · 10-02-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry David

Except Nakladal was sent down with Wotherspoon and Wilson is still around.

So? You are presuming that Wilson and his PTO are directly equivalent to players who are already under contract with the organisation. Just because he is still here does not necessarily mean that he beat out Nakladal for a spot. He may only be here to practice with the team for another few days before the start of the season.

Otto-matic · 10-02-2015, 02:15 PM

Joe out week to week with a thumb injury.

GranteedEV · 10-02-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mile

Can we stop presenting these as absolutes?

How Wotherspoon takes the demotion will decide whether or not he'll end up like Gormley. It's still early.

For sure. I don't think I presented it as an absolute, though.

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Kulak and Wilson are still at camp, so it's likely Hartley is referring to those two. Or even Nakladal. Culkin hasn't even skated at training camp.

That's besides the point.

When you say

Kulak and ______

I say Culkin.

When I say

Culkin and ______

You say Kulak.

You can't just put someone else's name there.

SuperMatt18 · 10-02-2015, 02:25 PM

Have Kulak and Culkin ever been in the same room at the same time?

I personally feel like they are one person.

Strange Brew · 10-02-2015, 02:25 PM

Colborne - this is really disappointing. Seems to have had a series of injuries to hand, wrist etc. No idea if its related but being able to stay healthy and in the lineup is a skill in its own right. Let's hope this is nothing serious because I was expecting a big jump.

Shore - Flames have to be disappointed a little here. I remember hearing from several media sources that the Flames were overjoyed when they landed him and thought they were getting a steal. Obviously his career is not over but I believe they were expecting him to be on the roster this year. As for all the attention at the trade deadline, I believe that was BT blowing smoke. I expect to see him in Stockton.

Kulak - the story of camp. What else to say?

Granlund - I had him voted very high in the prospect poll so happy to see him have a strong camp. Would love to see him flourish as a scorer this year.

Goalies - something going on here. If Ortio was to be sent down, I think they would have done it with the bigger group of players. There won't be 3 goalies all year long.

cannon7 · 10-02-2015, 02:26 PM

Hathaway kind of made the Shore discussion moot.

Larry David · 10-02-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

So? You are presuming that Wilson and his PTO are directly equivalent to players who are already under contract with the organisation. Just because he is still here does not necessarily mean that he beat out Nakladal for a spot. He may only be here to practice with the team for another few days before the start of the season.

Hey I might be wrong. I am making presumptions, you are right about that. I just think in context of the quote, and looking at who's remaining, Hartley was implying Kulak and Wilson. Whether or not Wilson has been given on a contract, he's still here and Nakladal isn't. Wilson can just as easily be released from his PTO as Nakladal can be sent down.

Bingo · 10-02-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Granlund - I had him voted very high in the prospect poll so happy to see him have a strong camp. Would love to see him flourish as a scorer this year.

Wonder why they don't convert this guy to a winger and get him out of the faceoff dot.

He has the two way ability to plug and play if they adapt his game away from the team's greatest depth.

Enoch Root · 10-02-2015, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Colborne - this is really disappointing. Seems to have had a series of injuries to hand, wrist etc. No idea if its related but being able to stay healthy and in the lineup is a skill in its own right. Let's hope this is nothing serious because I was expecting a big jump.

Shore - Flames have to be disappointed a little here. I remember hearing from several media sources that the Flames were overjoyed when they landed him and thought they were getting a steal. Obviously his career is not over but I believe they were expecting him to be on the roster this year. As for all the attention at the trade deadline, I believe that was BT blowing smoke. I expect to see him in Stockton.

Kulak - the story of camp. What else to say?

Granlund - I had him voted very high in the prospect poll so happy to see him have a strong camp. Would love to see him flourish as a scorer this year.

Goalies - something going on here. If Ortio was to be sent down, I think they would have done it with the bigger group of players. There won't be 3 goalies all year long.

This is precisely why it is important to have lots of depth in the prospect pool - regardless of how talented, or how close they are, you never know who is going to continue to progress and who isn't.

Benched · 10-02-2015, 02:30 PM

with guys like Anderson and Klyington in the system, you have to think that the time to take a step is soon....or get passed by again...

SuperMatt18 · 10-02-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wonder why they don't convert this guy to a winger and get him out of the faceoff dot.

He has the two way ability to plug and play if they adapt his game away from the team's greatest depth.

His shot is probably better suited to the wing as well.

Could be deadly as more of a finishing winger if we decide to develop him that way. Would love to train him to be a LH/ RW, almost similar to Hudler in a way.

Strange Brew · 10-02-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wonder why they don't convert this guy to a winger and get him out of the faceoff dot.

He has the two way ability to plug and play if they adapt his game away from the team's greatest depth.

I could not agree more with this. I have to believe his long term future is on the wing. Hard to see him ever getting ahead of Monahan, Bennett or Backlund. Although Backlund is one guy that could one day be part of a meaningful trade. Granlund too for that matter.

GranteedEV · 10-02-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

His shot is probably better suited to the wing as well.

Could be deadly as more of a finishing winger if we decide to develop him that way. Would love to train him to be a LH/ RW, almost similar to Hudler in a way.

Granlund is definitely made to be a winger. Different parts of his game remind me of guys like Cammalleri, Eberle, and Hudler.

GioforPM · 10-02-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wonder why they don't convert this guy to a winger and get him out of the faceoff dot.

He has the two way ability to plug and play if they adapt his game away from the team's greatest depth.

I thought he ended up on wing as much as centre last year (mainly due to who he was replacing in the lineup).