Hathaway, Sieloff, Wotherspoon, Nakladal, Morrison to Stockton. UPD: Shore clears

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by 3rd line Grinder

wait, when did wotherspoon get cut?

Same time as the others in the title.

@Fan960Steinberg
#Flames assign 5 to Stockton: Hathaway, Morrison, Nakladal, Sieloff, Wotherspoon. Confirm Shore on waivers.

[OldSam]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

This. He's already doing contact drills no?

Not full contract according to Wills this morning. He indicated he is not totally cleared and the team is still concerned about the injury.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I agree with this. Reading about the possibility of them starting with 3 goalies, I can see this being the reality. 6D, 3 goalies to start.

Who plays D when you have somebody with the flu? The playoff race was really close last year. Imagine the ramifications if the Flames are forced to go with 4/5 dmen and lose 2 pts in the standings

[Larry David]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

@SUNGilbertson: #Flames head coach Bob Hartley with strong words on D Tyler Wotherspoon. "We told him you need to be a little tougher on yourself."

Quote from Jermain Franklin adds more:

@TSNJFranklin: Hartley's message to Wotherspoon "you need to be a little tougher on yourself... more demanding, you let those 2 guys step in front of you"

Safe to say he's implying Kulak and Wilson as the 2 guys who stepped in front of him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Who plays D when you have somebody with the flu? The playoff race was really close last year. Imagine the ramifications if the Flames are forced to go with 4/5 dmen and lose 2 pts in the standings

It's not like they can't call anyone up and are going to ice 4/5 d-men for an extended period of time

The 6 d-men issue is a temporary thing while they continue to work on the goalie situation

[Royle9]

Sucks for Wotherspoon, mind you I'd agree it seems they did jump in front of him unfortunately nobody could have prevented that except for himself, cant feel too sorry for the kid. Live and learn or so they say.

Gotta think he'll be less then thrilled with the demotion, maybe he jumps ship and reunites with his former teammate and current Vancouver Savior Mr.Svensational

[Benched]

Originally Posted by OldSam

Not full contract according to Wills this morning. He indicated he is not totally cleared and the team is still concerned about the injury.

Yeah I heard that this AM as well. Said 'limited contact' he's approved for. But full contact will not be granted until he visits the surgeon. The speculation is it was a very serious injury and the Flames are not going to rush him back as they don't want to harm Smid for life.


That comment rang in my ears. Seems like a stark comparison vs. some other NHL franchises who do not have their players best interest at heart...

[Bingo]

Wonder how many named Kulak as their Jooris for this season? Does help that company earned motto once again.

Granlund staying over Shore does the same thing.

[SuperMatt18]

Do we really have space for Wilson. I wonder if the 2nd guy that passed Wotherspoon is actually Nakladal, and they made it clear that Wotherspoon wasn't the first call up anymore.

He looked alright but don' think he outright won a spot IMO. I get signing him to a contract if he looked head and shoulder better then our other guys, but he didn't IMO.

Giordano
Brodie
Hamilton
Russell
Wideman
Engelland
Smid

Kulak
Wotherspoon
Nakladal
Morrison
Culkin
Sieloff
Kylington
Kanzig
Johnson

That is already 16 dmen in the organization that need ice-time. And I don't think that Wilson looked any better than Wotherspoon, Nakladal, Kulak or Morrison. If we really need another d-man I would take Schlemko or Diaz back off waivers before him as well.

[Enoch Root]

Wotherspoon has 2 choices:

1) realize and accept that he hasn't pushed hard enough yet - and get out there and push harder, or

2) blame the Flames' organization, and wallow in a path that will find him in Europe in a year or two.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wotherspoon has 2 choices:

1) realize and accept that he hasn't pushed hard enough yet - and get out there and push harder, or

2) blame the Flames' organization, and wallow in a path that will find him in Europe in a year or two.

1) Be a man

2) Be Baertschi

Choose wisely Wotherspoon!

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Stealth22

Not trying to call you out here or anything, but I'm just curious on this.

I thought I remember reading somewhere that 1-way vs 2-way has less to do with waivers/demotions to the AHL, and more to do with the salary that the player earns in the minors. Like, on a 1-way, the player earns his full NHL salary wherever he is, and on a 2-way, the AHL salary has a certain limit on it.

Can someone in the know clarify that for me? I thought I read that waiver eligibility is based on games played in the NHL, rather than 1 vs 2 way contracts.

You're right. Waiver eligibility has nothing to do with two-way contracts. It's determined by signing age and pro experience.

Two-way deals have nothing to do with waivers. They just mean a player is paid one salary in the NHL, and a lower salary in the AHL. As compared to a one-way deal, where a player earns the same salary regardless of playing in the NHL or AHL.

[GranteedEV]

Wotherspoon is Gormley 3.0 (Gormley 2.0 is up in Edmonton right now)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Larry David

Quote from Jermain Franklin adds more:

@TSNJFranklin: Hartley's message to Wotherspoon "you need to be a little tougher on yourself... more demanding, you let those 2 guys step in front of you"

Safe to say he's implying Kulak and Wilson as the 2 guys who stepped in front of him.

Kulak and Culkin.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

1) Be a man

2) Be Baertschi

Choose wisely Wotherspoon!

that is exactly what I was trying to say!

[A Shot Wide]

Geez, Spooner is my favorite prospect and I can't help but feel that's being a bit harsh as I think he's played pretty well this camp. But I guess it's true, this is the NHL, if you're hard on a player and they wilt, did they ever have what it takes? Sort of like in Whiplash if you've seen it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Colborne's done. I don't see why the Flames would continue to invest the time in him when both his hands and wrists are ####ed. It's too bad, he looks like he has a lot of untapped potential.

My two cents.

WTF? Talk about extreme overreactions.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

WTF? Talk about extreme overreactions.

I hope I'm wrong. But this is at least his third serious wrist and hand injury in his career. As I understand it, this thumb problem is on his right hand. His off-season surgery was on his left wrist, after battling through the injury most of 14-15. He also had wrist surgery when he was the Leafs organization, after battling through most of 11-12 with a wrist injury. At best, he's injury prone in that area but manages to stay healthy. At worst...well, there's my extreme thoughts.

Maybe a bit overboard though, as you say. I hope he recovers fully and contributes to the success of the team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by A Shot Wide

Geez, Spooner is my favorite prospect and I can't help but feel that's being a bit harsh as I think he's played pretty well this camp. But I guess it's true, this is the NHL, if you're hard on a player and they wilt, did they ever have what it takes? Sort of like in Whiplash if you've seen it.

I suppose, but without the megalomania and sociopathy.

Hartley and the Flames coaching staff have proven to be abundantly fair and very astute in their evaluation of young players and their development.

[Larry David]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Kulak and Culkin.

Culkin is injured is he not? I'm pretty sure he meant Wilson