[Hypothetical] Possible return IF we were to move Gio now

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Go into their prospect system listings and look at the number of young D they have.

Nowhere did I say their top 3 NHL d-man. You made that leap, not me. And if I wasn't clear in the initial post, I just said it above, and again now. Hope that clears up any confusion for you.

I just did, and Theodore is the only noteworthy one, like I said.

You said "I wonder if they would part with one of their young D plus Ritchie " one of indicates multiple, and Theodore is the only noteworthy D prospect they have, all the other good young D they have are already in the NHL. You're just backpedaling now to get out of saying something idiotic.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

I just did, and Theodore is the only noteworthy one, like I said.

You said "I wonder if they would part with one of their young D plus Ritchie " one of indicates multiple, and Theodore is the only noteworthy D prospect they have, all the other good young D they have are already in the NHL. You're just backpedaling now to get out of saying something idiotic.

Your trolling gets really tiresome. Everyone knows your schtick by now.

There are a lot of options with Anaheim, and I never mentioned anyone specific. You were looking to to troll as you always do, and I twice reiterated I wasn't referring to those three players.

Theodore is one, Simon Despres is another. Anaheim just painted themselves into a corner with the Kessler deal and are going to have some cap issues in a few seasons. We have no idea what teams are or aren't willing to give up after just getting Hamilton to a song.

So while it likely makes you feel empowered to conclude in stone what teams are or aren't willing to give up, you're just another internet poster looking for validation.

Give it a rest.

[CSharp]

Here's a hypothetical situation: What if the Flames decide to get rid of both Gio and Wideman (non-renewal or trade) - therefore relieving about $9 - $10mil on the salary cap. Bring in Seabrook instead for the remainder of his serviceable NHL career. Hawks are dealing with the same situation, except Seabrook's won the cup 3 times and Gio hasn't. Both about the same age. I'm sure Bowman will try to make a trade before July 1st, 2016 negotiations don't work out. So, come July 1st 2016, Seabrook could be available.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Your trolling gets really tiresome. Everyone knows your schtick by now.

There are a lot of options with Anaheim, and I never mentioned anyone specific. You were looking to to troll as you always do, and I twice reiterated I wasn't referring to those three players.

Theodore is one, Simon Despres is another. Anaheim just painted themselves into a corner with the Kessler deal and are going to have some cap issues in a few seasons. We have no idea what teams are or aren't willing to give up after just getting Hamilton to a song.

So while it likely makes you feel empowered to conclude in stone what teams are or aren't willing to give up, you're just another internet poster looking for validation.

Give it a rest.

What are you talking about? Because I don't follow the majority mindset I must be a troll? Get over yourself.

You said look at their farm system, they have a number of young Dmen, they had one (Theodore). Any rational person would conclude that you were backpedaling, doesn't make me a troll.

But I did forget about Despres, my bad. But like I've said before I can't see them giving up cost controlled young Dmen who will continue to get better, vs Gio, who while great, will decline much sooner then the youngsters they have.

If I was looking for Validation, I wouldn't be coming to strangers on the internet. I was looking to have a debate, which is the purpose of a forum.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

But I did forget about Despres, my bad.

Which means since you made your initial pompous comment, there were two d-men you're now admitting you didn't consider, as well as a slew of prospects you know nothing about part from looking at their stat lines in junior.

You didn't know what I was referring to with my vague comment, despite the fact I went on to clarify three times. Yet you continued on trying to put words in my mouth using terms like "idiotic".

Besides, we have no idea what Anaheim would or wouldn't be willing to move if they saw a chance to bolster their cup odds at present. There's no need to be drawing concrete conclusions on their behalf.

[badger89]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Here's a hypothetical situation: What if the Flames decide to get rid of both Gio and Wideman (non-renewal or trade) - therefore relieving about $9 - $10mil on the salary cap. Bring in Seabrook instead for the remainder of his serviceable NHL career. Hawks are dealing with the same situation, except Seabrook's won the cup 3 times and Gio hasn't. Both about the same age. I'm sure Bowman will try to make a trade before July 1st, 2016 negotiations don't work out. So, come July 1st 2016, Seabrook could be available.

No thanks. I'd take Gio over Seabrook 7 days a week. Seabrook's good, but playing with Keith has made him look better than he is.

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[Locke]

The correct answer is: A King's Ransom.

What really sucks is Gio's age. If he was even just a couple years younger he'd fit our competitive window much better.

I've said before that real top defencemen, the franchise player kind can play very effectively into their early 40s, hell Lidstrom won the Norris the year before he retired.

But Gio isnt Lidstrom and hes more physical than the typical #1 Dman.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Which means since you made your initial pompous comment, there were two d-men you're now admitting you didn't consider, as well as a slew of prospects you know nothing about part from looking at their stat lines in junior.

You didn't know what I was referring to with my vague comment, despite the fact I went on to clarify three times. Yet you continued on trying to put words in my mouth using terms like "idiotic".

Besides, we have no idea what Anaheim would or wouldn't be willing to move if they saw a chance to bolster their cup odds at present. There's no need to be drawing concrete conclusions on their behalf.

EDIT: Whatever, I'm not going to drag this on anymore, believe what you want.

Not drawing concrete conclusions at all, just using common sense that they most likely wouldn't part with one of their young studs PLUS Ritchie for Gio.

More realistic deal would be something like Theodore, Noesen + a conditional 1st.

But that's IMO.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Two does not equal ' a number of young Dmen'. Entertain me, who exactly are included in this 'slew of prospects' ?

It was pretty obvious what you were implying, but continue to deny it.

Not drawing concrete conclusions at all, just using common sense that they most likely wouldn't part with one of their young studs PLUS Ritchie for Gio.

More realistic deal would be something like Theodore, Noesen + a conditional 1st.

But that's IMO.

You're getting boring now. My comment was meant to incite discussion, and I already elaborated who I was and wasn't referring to. Several times.

You're upset I called you on just trolling, and since your initial "you must mean their big 3 and I know for a fact they wouldn't move them" comment, you are the one who back peddled, admittedly naming two other d-men you didn't consider when you jumped on the train of just being argumentative.

As I was referring to earlier, you do this all the time and have been called on it by many people. Yawn.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You're getting boring now. My comment was meant to incite discussion, and I already elaborated who I was and wasn't referring to. Several times.

You're upset I called you on just trolling, and since your initial "you must mean their big 3 and I know for a fact they wouldn't move them" comment, you are the one who back peddled, admittedly naming two other d-men you didn't consider when you jumped on the train of just being argumentative.

As I was referring to earlier, you do this all the time and have been called on it by many people. Yawn.

Did you even read my post? I literally addressed all this. Read the post that you quoted.

I admitted to not remembering Despres, he isn't two players. I could care less if you consider me a troll or not, go against the grain, troll, same thing around here.

Do what all the time? And nobody has ever continuously commented anything like you have for the past hour, if you don't like this discussion then use the block function instead of constantly taking jabs vs actually contributing to the topic I tried to talk about.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Did you even read my post? I literally addressed all this.

Kind of like how you quoted a vague post of mine, ask a question that I answered three times and then kept at it despite me answering and clarifying?

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Giordano's return would likely consist of a current veteran player who is on the down swing of his career/cap dump, but who is still a capable player; a blue chip prospect on the verge of making the NHL (probably a defenseman to offset the loss of Gio); and a top 10 first round pick. Anything less than that wouldn't be enough to replace a player of Gio's calibre, regardless of any NMCs or contract status.

A team that is picking top 10 would not be a trade deadline buyer.

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[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Kind of like how you quoted a vague post of mine, ask a question that I answered three times and then kept at it despite me answering and clarifying?

No, I understand what you were saying. I just don't believe you because it made zero sense.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

No, I understand what you were saying. I just don't believe you because it made zero sense.

I'll just have to learn to live with that. You deeming Calgary potentially trading Gio to Anaheim for "one of their young D" and Nick Ritchie makes zero sense will be hard to get over, but time heals all wounds.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I'll just have to learn to live with that. You deeming Calgary potentially trading Gio to Anaheim for "one of their young D" and Nick Ritchie makes zero sense will be hard to get over, but time heals all wounds.

That's just my opinion, feel free to say why they would do it, that's the purpose of a forum. Not sure why you're getting so snarky.

[TX_Flame]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Trading Gio at $4.02 would net a great return. A roster player, a good prospect, & a high 1st .

What is with all these ppl saying a "high" 1st or a top 10 pick? Teams that pick that high generally are tanking and completely disinterested in a guy like Gio. They are not trade deadline buyers.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

That's just my opinion, feel free to say why they would do it, that's the purpose of a forum. Not sure why you're getting so snarky.

I already did, several times: We have no idea what a team like that would or wouldn't trade if they thought they were one move away from making themselves cup favourites. It's the part where you discerned I could only be referring to 3 players and were semi-outraged by it, only to go one and name two more you forgot about in the ensuing posts. Jumping to conclusions, back peddling, not reading... you've wasted enough of my time with your tired schtick.

[dying4acup]

IF we HAVE TO move Gio, then I look at Pittsburgh and Philly. First both are in need. Second both are free and easy with giving up first round picks. Third, it's easy to start a bidding war between them. Fourth, they are east. And last, (not sure about philly, but) Pittsburgh has some top notch defense prospects.

[GoJetsGo]

The Pens seem like another good option. Like Anaheim, they have a number of good young D-men and are looking to win now with their window closing.

Toronto makes no sense, and to a lesser extent, Philly seems too far away from contending to pay a premium for just a year of Gio.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I already did, several times: We have no idea what a team like that would or wouldn't trade if they thought they were one move away from making themselves cup favourites. It's the part where you discerned I could only be referring to 3 players and were semi-outraged by it, only to go one and name two more you forgot about in the ensuing posts. Jumping to conclusions, back peddling, not reading... you've wasted enough of my time with your tired schtick.

You never did, just took personal shots. And I never said it was in stone on what they would or wouldn't deal, just that the likely hood of them parting with so much is highly unlikely IMO, but you constantly are hammering away at that nonsense.

Not outraged at all, it's a forum for god sakes. Flabbergasted? Yes.

As for the bolded, pot... meet kettle. And like I've already said either use the block function or just leave if you don't want to actually have a discussion, which I've been trying to do.