[Hypothetical] Possible return IF we were to move Gio now

[GoJetsGo]

Disclaimer: In no way am I suggesting we *should* do this, nor do I think the present situation with his contract will develop to a point where this is necessary. I think / hope he'll be locked up and will continue to be our leader / best player for years to come.

Now having said that, it is summer, and trade speculation is always entertaining and good for generating discussion (for better or for worse)...

If Gio's present contractual status were to lead to an impasse, and we were going to consider moving him before or during this season... what kind of return might we see?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Disclaimer: In no way am I suggesting we *should* do this, nor do I think the present situation with his contract will develop to a point where this is necessary. I think / hope he'll be locked up and will continue to be our leader / best player for years to come.

Now having said that, it is summer, and trade speculation is always entertaining and good for generating discussion (for better or for worse)...

If Gio's present contractual status were to lead to an impasse, and we were going to consider moving him before or during this season... what kind of return might we see?

Being a rental will decrease value.

Draft picks and prospects are held as far more valuable than they used to be, so futures return won't be super fantastic.

I'd guess a first and a good prospect or a second and a third. I'm thinking the return would underwhelm a lot of people here.

[dying4acup]

Assuming no NMC:
Mid 1st
B prospect
Roster player (which the Flames don't need)/cap dump(Raymond)

Edit: want to mention ftr that I am playing this game reluctantly.

[Caged Great]

Say Tampa wants him

I could see the return being something along the lines of

Sustr + Namestiknov + 2nd

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Imo nowhere near enough to offset his loss over the next, say, 4-5 seasons.

I see our window of opportunity open far earlier than any of us had anticipated. Getting long term extensions for Gio, Johnny and Monahan are an absolute must.

A combination of those guys locked up long term with our recent pickups should give BT a low end benchmark for what the current group is capable of. Sure, we could argue guys like Gio, Hudler and Wideman will likely move into supporting roles, but the potential of so many of our young guys becoming incredible NHL talents, again just imo, puts the delta between the positive and negative career trajectories pretty comfortably in our favour.

BT doesn't seem like the guy to hang onto assets, trying to force a fit; I've got faith if he sees a move our brain trust views as a long term solution to a perceived weakness he simply rips the bandage off.

Got pretty off topic..
My biggest concern for maximizing a return is being in the final year of his contract with hefty now-public salary "demands" (strong word perhaps). Does this give cap-strapped contending teams who are more likely to be interested in his services leverage in trade negotiations? Or does BT use his sorcery to spin the angle that these teams are getting Gio exactly as advertised, and that is an offensively and defensively elite mercenary the likes of which rarely hit the market, effectively signed to a sweetheart 1 year deal that easily fits under any team's cap with only minor tweaking or a little salary retention.

More I think about it, a full year of a 2M cap hit Mark Giordano with Brad at the helm likely blows recent moves out of the water.

Blue chip prospect, 1st, 2nd, and a slew of conditional picks based on a new contract+games played+individual and team results that potentially give us another 1st at the top end.

Sound nuts expensive? Yep. But he's worth it, and without an overkill return we'd be potentially delaying our ability to legitimately contend for the cup past guys like Bennett and Poirer's next contracts (assuming they take a shorter second deal to prove themselves). I think a lot of guys are more inclined to sign longer term team friendly contracts instead of waiting for individual breakout seasons if the team is winning games and making a serious push for it.




Otherwise we keep him and find a way to forge his signature.


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[Murph]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Being a rental will decrease value.

Draft picks and prospects are held as far more valuable than they used to be, so futures return won't be super fantastic.

I'd guess a first and a good prospect or a second and a third. I'm thinking the return would underwhelm a lot of people here.

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Assuming no NMC:
Mid 1st
B prospect
Roster player (which the Flames don't need)/cap dump(Raymond)

Edit: want to mention ftr that I am playing this game reluctantly.

I'll go out way out on a limb and suggest that Giordano nets back more than Brayden Coburn did.

[FlameZilla]

The potential return wouldn't represent good value for the Flames. Giordano is the heart & soul of this Flames team & trading him for whatever the reason would represent a step in the wrong direction. A bad precedent to set.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

The potential return wouldn't represent good value for the Flames. Giordano is the heart & soul of this Flames team & trading him for whatever the reason would represent a step in the wrong direction. A bad precedent to set.

This is the inevitable/logical conclusion of this discussion. Might as well lock the thread now.

[Poe969]

I'm pretty sure the standard return on a franchise defenseman is a mid first and two second round picks.

[Huntingwhale]

Look at what other high end players recently traded have gotten.

Fans over value their own players and the return is never even close to what anyone expects.

Iggy
Jaybo

All players who should have gotten a kings ransom, yet all of them underwhelming.

Even recently with kessel, kesler, Hamilton, etc.

Top guy just don't get what people expect they should in the cap era.

Outside of the expected 1st rounder, a return for Gio would be disappointing.

[sureLoss]

Giordano does not have a NTC or NMC for the final year of his current deal.

[sureLoss]

Just off the top of my head:

Giordano to Dallas for Brett Ritchie, Jamie Oleksiak, and a 2nd

[Husky]

Regardless of age, he would net a huge return.

Coburn who is probably 1-2 years younger, netted a solid younger D and a 1st and 3rd round pick. Giordano is worth more then that.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Husky

Regardless of age, he would net a huge return.

Coburn who is probably 1-2 years younger, netted a solid younger D and a 1st and 3rd round pick. Giordano is worth more then that.

Coburn had another year left on his contact, Gio doesn't. The team acquiring him are literally getting part of a season and 1 playoffs. They got more than double with Coburn

[Heavy Jack]

A 1st and 2 seconds

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Coburn had another year left on his contact, Gio doesn't. The team acquiring him are literally getting part of a season and 1 playoffs. They got more than double with Coburn

I don't think it matters much. Either he signs an extension or every year there are teams looking to make a hard push for a cup and picks up rentals.

Andrej Sekera netted a 1st and a 2nd round prospect.

[Chewy]

Jonathan Drouin

[Hugh Jahrmes]

2xConditional first from edmonton, where if the pick doesn't end up being top 3 we get the following year?


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[Yoho]

Wonder if there is any package to get Nick Ritchie from the Ducks.

[FBI]

How is nick Ritchie progressing? Didn't hear much last year.