2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wonder if Treliving can convince his old buddies in AZ to take a cap dump to meet the floor. Maybe send Raymond or Jones their way.

Not sure about cap dump... but if we shipped Stajan there to mentor their team, could we do so in a way that requires they take Raymond as well? In a strange way, our "spare parts" are still valuable rebuilding pieces. We just outgrew them, they aren't completely useless pieces. Theoretically this also has something to do with Jooris and Byron signed and kept or swapping Granlund with Jooris, Byron etc. (I'd keep Bollig if I couldn't ship both Raymond and Bollig out if LW room is needed)

Stajan, Raymond and Granlund straight up might be an interesting rebuild speed up package to a team. Might fit more than just Arizona. Toronto and Vanc for instance? Salary retained, the target teams could be wider as a depth package, and I'm thinking Pittsburgh for some odd reason.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pretty sure hockey.modern meant before he signed with the Flames.

Anyhoo, I doubt the Flames trade Hiller to help a division rival bolster their goal tending situation unless it is for a severe overpayment.

Here's a problem down the line. Unless we make a move, one of Hiller/Ortio/Ramo will have to be waived unless we make a decision to carry all three goalies. Given that chiarelli expressed interest in Ramo before we brought him back I'm sure there would be a claim. Can see chia claiming any one of our G. So we either carry three G, waive one and lose one for nothing, or make a deal.

Not dealing from a portion of strength which sucks. Hoping we can work something out with St Louis for Hiller for something as there was talk earlier in the year. St. Louis can then trade Elliott to Edmonton if they so please as I'm sure they don't want to carry three G. Either that and hold your nose and deal with Edmonton for something.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I can't see the Flames signing Semin even if it's a low risk deal. It sends the wrong message to the group. I'd rather see Paul Byron, who is never questioned for his effort, get a crack at it. Frolik is a far better addition to the 2nd/3rd lines.

How does it send a bad message? Semin is a 635 game NHL vet, having scored 238 career goals. Adding a talent like that over a fringe effort worker is a bigger message that this team is ready to take another step. There is a lot effort on this team. Need to add a secondary scoring threat.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Here's a problem down the line. Unless we make a move, one of Hiller/Ortio/Ramo will have to be waived unless we make a decision to carry all three goalies. Given that chiarelli expressed interest in Ramo before we brought him back I'm sure there would be a claim. Can see chia claiming any one of our G. So we either carry three G, waive one and lose one for nothing, or make a deal.

Not dealing from a portion of strength which sucks. Hoping we can work something out with St Louis for Hiller for something as there was talk earlier in the year. St. Louis can then trade Elliott to Edmonton if they so please as I'm sure they don't want to carry three G. Either that and hold your nose and deal with Edmonton for something.

Well, we're not in the strongest of positions right now either. It's not strong nor weak. If we think trade deadline, that's plenty of time for a team to lose their starter or 1B to injury. THAT is a position of strength.

And let's say instead one of Ramo or Hiller falls to injury, we are ok.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

How does it send a bad message? Semin is a 635 game NHL vet, having scored 238 career goals. Adding a talent like that over a fringe effort worker is a bigger message that this team is ready to take another step. There is a lot effort on this team. Need to add a secondary scoring threat.

Setoguchi experiment 2.0? I liked the theory of Setoguchi last year and defended it probably much longer than necessary. Disappointed it didn't work out though. If we took on Semin, if he didn't work, based on the lessons learned from last year, I would have no problems slotting a prospect over him. Makes for a great hurdle.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I can't see the Flames signing Semin even if it's a low risk deal. It sends the wrong message to the group. I'd rather see Paul Byron, who is never questioned for his effort, get a crack at it. Frolik is a far better addition to the 2nd/3rd lines.

I can, low risk high reward is exactly what BT should be looking at. This isn't the movie "Rudy" where only good attitude matters.

. Semin will get one shot at it. If it worked it would be the steal of free agency

[heep223]

I feel like these veteran reclamation projects rarely work, if ever. I can't think of a single one tbh. Just stay away from Semin there is no need we have too many NHL forwards already.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I can't see the Flames signing Semin even if it's a low risk deal. It sends the wrong message to the group. I'd rather see Paul Byron, who is never questioned for his effort, get a crack at it. Frolik is a far better addition to the 2nd/3rd lines.

You'd rather give Byron a scoring role position? The same Byron that has never cracked 8 goals in the NHL?

Byron's efforts got him a qualifying offer allowing him to file for arbitration. That's the absolute best he could have hoped the Flames do for him.

Semin's probably not in the cards, but it better not have anything to do with a fringe player like Byron.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

How does it send a bad message? Semin is a 635 game NHL vet, having scored 238 career goals. Adding a talent like that over a fringe effort worker is a bigger message that this team is ready to take another step. There is a lot effort on this team. Need to add a secondary scoring threat.

It sends a bad message because Semin is regularly called out for his lack of effort, and the Flames would be signing him despite that history.He's extremely talented but the Flames are fine without him. As another poster said, the Flames were 6th in NHL scoring last year at a disadvantage to this year's roster.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You'd rather give Byron a scoring role position? The same Byron that has never cracked 8 goals in the NHL?

Byron's efforts got him a qualifying offer allowing him to file for arbitration. That's the absolute best he could have hoped the Flames do for him.

Semin's probably not in the cards, but it better not have anything to do with a fringe player like Byron.

I should've been more clear. I didn't mean Byron get 2nd line minutes. I meant that bringing in a forward like Semin would stop guys like Byron, Jooris, Granlund, and Shore from getting more ice time. Byron is at best a 3rd liner.

[dieHARDflameZ]

“… I don’t mind saying a guy like Alexander Semin’s name because he’s one guy who has so much talent he could easily be the best player in the league and just for whatever reason just doesn’t care,”

These are comments made by Matt Bradley back in 2011. I really don't know why the Flames would ever want a guy like that. He would get eaten alive by Hartley.

I would be absolutely shocked if Treliving signed him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

“… I don’t mind saying a guy like Alexander Semin’s name because he’s one guy who has so much talent he could easily be the best player in the league and just for whatever reason just doesn’t care,”

These are comments made by Matt Bradley back in 2011. I really don't know why the Flames would ever want a guy like that. He would get eaten alive by Hartley.

I would be absolutely shocked if Treliving signed him.

The team is missing at least one true top 6 forward. Semin may not have exactly been one last year, he had been one for the 10 years prior. He has potential to provide a secondary scoring threat that didn't really exist last year. After all this was a team that gave Glencross and Raymond over 2 minutes a night on the PP because they didn't have any other option.

I get that from top to bottom this is suppose to be a team that gives 100% all the time and Semin has been criticized by teammates for not doing so. But if Hartley and Giordano and Hudler and whichever other leaders of the team could get Semin to buy into the system, then Bradley's comment about him being the best player in the world comment takes a different meaning.

There's not much risk, just like Setoguchi last year, if he doesn't work out it doesn't work it.

I doubt he signs or that the Flames are all that interested, but I would not have a problem if he were to sign with the Flames.

[Vulcan]

I'll be glad when Semin signs somewhere so I don't have to read about how much we need him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's July 6 and it's the trade speculation thread, Vulcan. If you don't like the discussion about a former 40 goal scorer, there's no point opening up this thread until at least October.

[Gundo]

Semin belongs nowhere but the KHL. He is a floater that only plays when he wants to and should be in a league of similar individuals.

[thymebalm]

What's the word on Cody Franson? I heard him linked to the Flames and I'm surprised he hasn't landed yet.

[Cheese]

^^^^^ Were you at Orange Julius again?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by heep223

I feel like these veteran reclamation projects rarely work, if ever. I can't think of a single one tbh. Just stay away from Semin there is no need we have too many NHL forwards already.

Tanguay was a successful reclamation project in his return to Calgary scoring 69pts after we picked him up for less than $2M

[saillias]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

What's the word on Cody Franson? I heard him linked to the Flames and I'm surprised he hasn't landed yet.

Most likely to return to the Leafs from the twitter chatter I've seen.

Nobody wants to pay him like a top 4 guy though, because he's not very good. His salary and term expectations were way out of whack with what the market was willing to offer. With Sekera you know you're getting a real top 4 defenseman. Franson not so much.

[Red Menace]

I'm not so sure about Sekera, the guy has had one good season, but was historically a 15-20 pt guy.....anyway now that he is an Oiler, all the more reason to hope he flops.