06-26-2015, 09:17 AM
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#381
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Originally Posted by Dagger
It would be brutal to ship one second, let alone two for either Talbot or Jones. There's good ones in the system, Ortio appears to be about ready, and it's becoming increasingly clear that goaltender performance is largely a function of the defense in front of them.
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This is about another goalie playing in the NHL for the next 3-4 seasons. It's not a condemnation of the goalies coming up in the system. It probably also speaks as to the value Treliving sees on the FA goalie market - acquiring and re-signing one through a trade may be more attractive than paying the FA prices in terms of dollar and term.
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 06-26-2015 at 09:19 AM.
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06-26-2015, 09:17 AM
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#382
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
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Maybe we have a deal in place for Hiller that hinges on us getting a replacement?
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06-26-2015, 09:18 AM
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#383
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winchestertonfieldville Jail
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People wanting Dubnyk scares me.. seriously? Oilers stank doesn't come off, guy had one good year
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06-26-2015, 09:18 AM
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#384
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Backup Goalie
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He does however have the Best mask of ALL time! I would sign him just for that, of course the New York spin would not work anywhere else!
Last edited by Ragz; 06-26-2015 at 09:21 AM.
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06-26-2015, 09:19 AM
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#385
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Originally Posted by heep223
This thread is going to be funny to look back on when we acquire Talbot and he leads us to a Stanley Cup in 2018  |
For posterity.
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06-26-2015, 09:19 AM
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#386
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Kevin Woodley @KevinisInGoal
Fair to Q how teams evaluate G given draft/FA history but CAL Sigalet takes breakdowns to next level so reported Talbot pursuit interesting
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06-26-2015, 09:20 AM
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#387
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
It is clear the Flames don't like what they have in net for next season. And I can't say I blame them. They Flames got in the playoffs in spite of mediocre to below average goaltending. If they don't think Ortio is ready - they probably see this as a chance to shore up the position until Gillies is ready in 3 years.
We will see what the price is, but goaltending isn't exactly a strong point for the organization so I kinda get it.
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This gets thrown around a lot but the fact of the matter is that Hiller stats-wise over 52 games was in a dead heat with guys like Luongo, Andersen and better than guys like Lack, Ward, Miller, Anderson, Bobrovsky, etc. Fans have to come to grips that guys like Price, Lundquist, Rinne are the exception not the norm for goaltending level of play. Flames goaltending at worst was pretty average but wasn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be at times.
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06-26-2015, 09:20 AM
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#388
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skudr248
People wanting Dubnyk scares me.. seriously? Oilers stank doesn't come off, guy had one good year
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Plus, I would imagine that Treliving already utilized the June 25th rule to make contact with Dubnyk's agent. It's quite possible there was no deal to be had there.
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06-26-2015, 09:21 AM
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#389
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
This is about another goalie playing in the NHL for the next 3-4 seasons. It's not a condemnation of the goalies coming up in the system. It probably also speaks as to the value Treliving sees on the FA goalie market - acquiring and re-signing one through a trade may be more attractive than paying the FA prices in terms of dollar and term.
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I think it's a condemnation of Ortio. Not so much of Gillies or McDonald.
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06-26-2015, 09:23 AM
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#390
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Originally Posted by madmike
I think it's a condemnation of Ortio. Not so much of Gillies or McDonald.
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My thought is that it means that Treliving isn't certain with what he has in Ortio. A Talbot/Ortio tandem with Hartley coaching would likely work just as Hiller/Ramo did. Ortio would be given opportunities to take some starts if Talbot falters or Ortio earns them.
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06-26-2015, 09:24 AM
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#391
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Right, but I also think that there are good goalies on the market that are better than Talbot. Niemi and Dubnyk would be ideal candidates to go after, and we don't have to trade any assets for them.
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I don't think Niemi is great at all. And on the Dubnyk side - he has to want to come here and apparently wants massive term and $$$.
So it isn't that easy.
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06-26-2015, 09:25 AM
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#392
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I think it is a condemnation of Hiller IMO.
Trade for Talbot and you have him and Ortio as a relatively young 1A and 1B situation.
Most NCAA goalies take 2-3 years in the AHL to develop so Gillies is a couple years away, and McDonald is probably 4-5 years away.
Only thing I don't like is the cost.
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06-26-2015, 09:25 AM
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#393
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
This gets thrown around a lot but the fact of the matter is that Hiller stats-wise over 52 games was in a dead heat with guys like Luongo, Andersen and better than guys like Lack, Ward, Miller, Anderson, Bobrovsky, etc. Fans have to come to grips that guys like Price, Lundquist, Rinne are the exception not the norm for goaltending level of play. Flames goaltending at worst was pretty average but wasn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be at times.
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Oh I agree. And average is probably a fair term, though I think anything above that over-states the quality of the goaltending. The way I break it down is you had two guys:
Hiller - more consistent, but not capable of stealing many games
Ramo - more inconsistent, but more capable of stealing the odd game
It stuns me this team actually got in with this as the tandem. I would put it in the bottom third of the league. But I'm also just not a fan of Hiller so maybe I have some built-in bias.
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06-26-2015, 09:27 AM
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#394
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I would be okay if the Flames worked a deal with LA for Jones, but it would have to be something like Jones and Martinez/Muzzin for the 15th and a prospect like Wotherspoon. Flames could then trade some of our picks to move up if they so desire.
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06-26-2015, 09:27 AM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skudr248
People wanting Dubnyk scares me.. seriously? Oilers stank doesn't come off, guy had one good year
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There were games where he was the only thing that separated the Oilers from middling AJHL teams.
He took over the starting job in Arizona and did decent considering how bad that team was.
He completely turned around what was looking to be a long, miserable season for the Wild.
I would argue the guy has been given nothing but terrible opportunities and made the most of them.
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06-26-2015, 09:27 AM
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#396
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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With all these "Flames ahead of the Oilers" for Talbot quotes I kind of wonder if it isn't just a little bit of a ploy to try to get the Oilers to up their offer.
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06-26-2015, 09:28 AM
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#397
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Oh I agree. And average is probably a fair term, though I think anything above that over-states the quality of the goaltending. The way I break it down is you had two guys:
Hiller - more consistent, but not capable of stealing many games
Ramo - more inconsistent, but more capable of stealing the odd game
It stuns me this team actually got in with this as the tandem. I would put it in the bottom third of the league. But I'm also just not a fan of Hiller so maybe I have some built-in bias.
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Bias or not I think you correctly describe them (and I probably lean the opposite way).
I wonder if it would serve the Flames better or worse to have two goalies who play the same style, or at least more similar than Ramo and Hiller.
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06-26-2015, 09:29 AM
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#398
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I think it is a condemnation of Hiller IMO.
Trade for Talbot and you have him and Ortio as a relatively young 1A and 1B situation.
Most NCAA goalies take 2-3 years in the AHL to develop so Gillies is a couple years away, and McDonald is probably 4-5 years away.
Only thing I don't like is the cost.
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Don't really want to give up 2 second round picks for a 1A.
Either get a proper Number 1, or just keep Hiller.
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06-26-2015, 09:30 AM
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#399
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Oh I agree. And average is probably a fair term, though I think anything above that over-states the quality of the goaltending. The way I break it down is you had two guys:
Hiller - more consistent, but not capable of stealing many games
Ramo - more inconsistent, but more capable of stealing the odd game
It stuns me this team actually got in with this as the tandem. I would put it in the bottom third of the league. But I'm also just not a fan of Hiller so maybe I have some built-in bias.
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Probably a bit of this as he easily outdueled Lack in the first round and supposedly Lack is a hot commodity in the trade market. I don't think he's that bad and he's just has lapses but that's why you need a solid backup to spell him for a period of time. I feel Ortio would get a fair amount of work and a year from now Treliving would have a much better idea on what direction he needs to go with the position with Hiller a UFA.
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06-26-2015, 09:30 AM
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#400
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by New Era
I would be okay if the Flames worked a deal with LA for Jones, but it would have to be something like Jones and Martinez/Muzzin for the 15th and a prospect like Wotherspoon. Flames could then trade some of our picks to move up if they so desire.
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our first and top D prospect for a backup and bottom pairing d man?
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