This is different than fighting racist movements like the KKK. Gun laws should be much more strict, but I don't see how these problems can be completely be avoided without moving into a 1984/BNW type of society.
You answered your own question.
Just because you can't eliminate something entirely doesn't mean you shouldn't work to reduce it.
The jig is up on the American gun movement. This stuff is happening at such an alarming rate that something has to give. The sensible people need to stop being afraid to call out issues with the 2nd amendment and start lobbying for common sense measures that make sense today.
If more guns equates to more safety is certainly isn't working in the US.
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Instead of labeling it by race, perhaps you should label it by income.
Most crime is born in high poverty areas. Which group is overwhelmingly in high poverty areas? Black people. If people had actual opportunity and economic freedom, then perhaps they would do other things than commit crimes. Whenever poverty goes down, the crime rate follows. Whenever poverty goes up, the crime rate and societal cohesion breaks down. That's what led to revolutions in Russia, Germany and the rise of extremism in the middle east.
You want to fix the crime problem in the black community, make decent paying jobs available to them. Then perhaps you won't see single parents having to work multiple jobs to just skate by and they would be better able to raise their children instead of just surviving. It is frustrating when people deal with the symptom (violence and crime) instead of the cause of the problem.
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Just because you can't eliminate something entirely doesn't mean you shouldn't work to reduce it.
The jig is up on the American gun movement. This stuff is happening at such an alarming rate that something has to give. The sensible people need to stop being afraid to call out issues with the 2nd amendment and start lobbying for common sense measures that make sense today.
If more guns equates to more safety is certainly isn't working in the US.
I don't think it is the answer. It's one step.
Yes, I do believe making firearms more difficult to obtain will help, so yes, it should be pursued further.
But guns as a whole will never be completely removed. Some people have legitimate reasons to own firearms, be it for their profession or whatever.
I think somebody like the monster yesterday would have found a way to do his damage, though probably to a lesser extent, regardless of gun control.
If he is, then the DOJ, BJS and the NCVS much also be white power organizations and publications for even daring to show that data.
Yeah but just looking at that pictograph, the sources are kind of dubious without actually linking to the results of the surveys. I can post a pictograph that says "According to blah blah blah", but without actually referencing the sources with a link, it's just a claim. Of note, I searched for those studies and found the 2010 one, which has absolutely nothing on crimes perpetrated by race against another race. Just a breakdown of the victims by race and perpetrators by race. But not the two together. So right there the "source" has been totally discredited.
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I found the PDF summary presented in the imgur link as well, and had the same conclusion. But the full data packet does seem to include data on the races of the perpetrators vs. the victims.
He voluntarily walked into the sheriffs office and surrendered..........
I thought they said he was pulled over in a traffic stop after driving suspiciously.
But true, they said that he surrendered without any resistance. Had he ran, I wouldn't have been surprised if brutal force would have been used as he was considered armed and dangerous. The race issue more applies to brutal force used when someone isn't armed and dangerous.
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So apparently Fox News and other racist ####heads are calling this an attack on Christianity and not a racist attack. Seriously, #### American conservatives.
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So apparently Fox News and other racist ####heads are calling this an attack on Christianity and not a racist attack. Seriously, #### American conservatives.
I don't watch Fox News, but how did they skirt around the whole "I wanted to start a race war." statement this POS made to the police.
Because according to Fox, racism is dead and has been since segregation ended (lol), but Christianity is in a fight for survival and will be eradicated from America very soon (lol). I mean truth be told you gotta appreciate that they only care about their audience and driving the number and not presenting facts. They don't pretend to be otherwise either. Though I do wanna give some credit to Bill O'Reilly for actually calling this a terrorist attack.
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The rules for buy ing guns and the exact controls you mention vary by state. In This latest case there were many laws broken such as 1) the gun was given as a gift which is illegal in SC. 2) the shooter had a felony and thereby is prohibited from owning a gun 3) you cannot conceal carry in SC. 4) you cannot have a gun in a church in SC, and it was not an assault rifle and he did not have any high capacity clips. It was .45 calibre hand gun which was obtained illegally (from Pops), background checks and wait period are mandatory in SC, They have laws in place in to prevent incidents such as this but all were broken. Drugs are a great social experience in what happens when things are banned.
And?
You have choices to make then.
you can either actually enforce the laws that are in place with severe penalties. I.e. the person that gave the gun to him as a gift be prosecuted severely (and the same with anyone who does it whether a crime was committed with it or not). They don't tend to.
And in the end if you can't follow the rules you "don't get to have nice things".
The US has proven they can't follow the rules or they don't care about enforcing them so only one thing is left. Ban them altogether. And please I don't want to here about people will still buy them. The large majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens and despite whining they will remain so. The black market isn't all of a sudden going to explode with massive volumes of guns (at least no more massive) because Ma and Pa are actively looking for guns. It also puts in an additional obstacle when someone is snapping. You also don't need to ban all guns. You do need to enforce laws.
But you also need to educate. It will take some time but the younger generation is much less tied to guns than their parents. The split is similar to the Democrat-Republican split along age. It'll happen at some point. But there will be many more lives lost unfortunately.
And it's not the same as drugs. Plenty of countries have shown success with gun laws. The reason it isn't the same is it isn't some sort of physical addiction where someone needs to go buy drugs and turns to a life of crime to do so. Drugs are also a personal decision and while someones decision may "hurt" friends and family it isn't going to kill those friends and family when they get too deep into it.
In the United States, there are 89 guns for ever 100 people. In Canada, there are 31 for every 100. Canada experiences less than 1/4 the number of gun-related deaths per capita than the United States.
NRA wingnuts can cry all they want. Gun bans work.
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The rules for buy ing guns and the exact controls you mention vary by state. In This latest case there were many laws broken such as 1) the gun was given as a gift which is illegal in SC. 2) the shooter had a felony and thereby is prohibited from owning a gun 3) you cannot conceal carry in SC. 4) you cannot have a gun in a church in SC, and it was not an assault rifle and he did not have any high capacity clips. It was .45 calibre hand gun which was obtained illegally (from Pops), background checks and wait period are mandatory in SC, They have laws in place in to prevent incidents such as this but all were broken. Drugs are a great social experience in what happens when things are banned.
Seems to me the common denominator here is that there was a gun.
There was one law that wasn't broken. The dad, who gave the gun, purchased it legally. So what if he wasn't able to do that?
At their best, guns are used for:
Hunting: We don't technically NEED to do this anymore. My family are hunters and I love wild meat. If you can't hit it with a one-shot rifle or an arrow, go to the supermarket, you suck anyways.
Hitting inanimate objects: While enjoyable, the right to shoot a target when compared to the crazy amount of tragedies that have happened, I just don't see how this argument can hold up at all. You want the right to walk around with a gun on your hip, someone else has the right to feel safe that not every scond person has a gun on their hip. Rights are only protected insofar as they don't infringe on the rights of others. If you have a gun in any place that's not a gun range or wilderness (ie a community with people), I don't feel safe around you.
At their worst (and most frequent) guns are used for:
Murder.
How is this even an argument anymore?
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In the United States, there are 89 guns for ever 100 people. In Canada, there are 31 for every 100. Canada experiences less than 1/4 the number of gun-related deaths per capita than the United States.
NRA wingnuts can cry all they want. Gun bans work.
Whoop dee ####ing doo.
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