You know, I am starting to think that the African American population in the U.S. needs to protest with violence now. The fact that there is still bigoted mouth breathers like this still in existence, and still a large accepted piece of American culture is a direct threat to their lives and culture. They need to make a statement that actions like this, will be met with even more horrific actions.
Enough is enough. These were not gang bangers or drug dealers. These were a group of people peacefully practicing their right to worship, and welcomed this wad of pus into their place of worship with open arms, even though he obviously didn't fit in. And he betrayed them in the worst way possible.
I won't blame the AA population one iota in the U.S. if they retaliate with violence to this. I cannot fathom we still live in a world, where we are still judging people on the amount of melanin in their skin. And I hope this kids dad gets what's coming to him too. He had to have known this kid was unfit to own a gun, and he gives him a bloody hand cannon for his B-day.
Truly ashamed to say I'm white when I see crap like this. i guess being a half Jew gives me an out.
It won't stop criminals from acquiring guns for criminal purposes (though it makes it harder). But banning many types of guns and more strict gun laws does make it very much harder for the guy who can or has legally acquired a gun but who has snapped. It of course isn't just a ban guns. It has to be stricter rules on gun sales. Background checks. Waiting periods etc. Soooo much can be done even before even banning guns. Yet they don't do it because everything to the american psyche is a damn slippery slope.
It also gets rid of the accidental shootings that I suspect happen more than the "hero" chasing off the intruder. And really I don't think anyone would say ban all guns. Guns have a place in the world: hunting if you are so inclined. Need to protect livestock. And yes even the need to protect family. But you don't need a semi-auto or automatic weapons to do any of those things. Including the protecting your house...having the gun itself will be enough to cause the intruder to flee in the very large majority of cases.
The rules for buy ing guns and the exact controls you mention vary by state. In This latest case there were many laws broken such as 1) the gun was given as a gift which is illegal in SC. 2) the shooter had a felony and thereby is prohibited from owning a gun 3) you cannot conceal carry in SC. 4) you cannot have a gun in a church in SC, and it was not an assault rifle and he did not have any high capacity clips. It was .45 calibre hand gun which was obtained illegally (from Pops), background checks and wait period are mandatory in SC, They have laws in place in to prevent incidents such as this but all were broken. Drugs are a great social experience in what happens when things are banned.
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In This latest case there were many laws broken such as 1) the gun was given as a gift which is illegal in SC. 2) the shooter had a felony and thereby is prohibited from owning a gun
Hopefully this means the fool who gave this kid a gun as a present will be charged with something as well. Maybe even the person who sold him the gun. Is there anything like "aiding a terrorist"?
And is this 'gift' a part of the "gun culture" thing? Like, who gives a white supremacist misfit a handgun as a gift? It's not like Grandpa giving the boy his first rifle so they can go hunting for deer. It's a handgun. This is just insanity.
You know, I am starting to think that the African American population in the U.S. needs to protest with violence now. The fact that there is still bigoted mouth breathers like this still in existence, and still a large accepted piece of American culture is a direct threat to their lives and culture. They need to make a statement that actions like this, will be met with even more horrific actions.
Enough is enough. These were not gang bangers or drug dealers. These were a group of people peacefully practicing their right to worship, and welcomed this wad of pus into their place of worship with open arms, even though he obviously didn't fit in. And he betrayed them in the worst way possible.
I won't blame the AA population one iota in the U.S. if they retaliate with violence to this. I cannot fathom we still live in a world, where we are still judging people on the amount of melanin in their skin. And I hope this kids dad gets what's coming to him too. He had to have known this kid was unfit to own a gun, and he gives him a bloody hand cannon for his B-day.
Truly ashamed to say I'm white when I see crap like this. i guess being a half Jew gives me an out.
So what would be a horrific enough reaction for you?
I'm not going to pretend that white people aren't treated better by a lot of cops in the USA than black people, but an ongoing arrest and a transfer of a guy already in custody aren't comparable in the least.
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It's just not that hard to implement basic gun control measures.
-Background checks
-Mental health evaluations
-Drug tests
-Required education on how to clean/fire/store/etc the firearm upon purchase
-Make owners register their firearms annually (just like a car)
-7 day waiting period (during which the seller can conduct background check/drug test/mental health eval, and the purchaser can get his educational credentials)
May states already have gun control measures, some that are as stringent as Canada's (in some cases more so). People make broad statements and claim the US has no gun control, when just the opposite is true.
And annual registration isn't about safety, it's about taxation.
May states already have gun control measures, some that are as stringent as Canada's (in some cases more so). People make broad statements and claim the US has no gun control, when just the opposite is true.
And annual registration isn't about safety, it's about taxation.
And shockingly those states with stricter gun laws correlate to the states with lower gun violence.
And shockingly those states with stricter gun laws correlate to the states with lower gun violence.
Do you have the stats handy? Can't look them up until tonight.
I'd be willing to be that the states that fall into the lowest bracket have some laws on the book most people would support. Ones that deal with the illegal use of firearms and have a barrier to unsuitable owners gaining access in the first place.
But at the same time, there are a bunch of useless, fell good laws that are based on optics and misinformation rather than fact.
Pass a law that makes it illegal for someone convicted of a crime to possess a firearm, make surrender of firearms a condition if someone is under a DV protection order or pass a background check at point of sale or before and you'll probably get overwhelming support. But try to pass a law that bans a gun just because you think it looks scary or looks like the military might use it and people will rightfully call you a fool and not support it. Same goes for mag restrictions, very little impact on safety. Safe storage laws are probably a grey area, just due to the ability to enforce.
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I love Stewart, this was awesome of him. But he keeps saying "we gotta fix it". That's nice and all, but how? The thing is it WAS just one guy. Not a group, not a known felon. No warning. I don't see how we can fix things like this without the government stripping away rights and wrapping us in bubble wrap to prevent us from harm. I would love a solution to things like this but it's hard to think of one that won't take away the rights of the American people. Yes, we could start a movement to help end racism but there is still going to be that one ####ing nut job somewhere and I have no idea how to stop something like that.
This is different than fighting racist movements like the KKK. Gun laws should be much more strict, but I don't see how these problems can be completely avoided without moving into a 1984/BNW type of society.
