CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by SebC

- In case Hockeyguy15 hasn't learned from his mistake (or was it?), I am not turned.

Well you wouldn't know you had the spore today unless you were infected, otherwise you wouldn't know until tonight.

Not sure why you made that comment.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well you wouldn't know you had the spore today unless you were infected, otherwise you wouldn't know until tonight.

Not sure why you made that comment.

Strange... I thought the same thing.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well you wouldn't know you had the spore today unless you were infected, otherwise you wouldn't know until tonight.

Not sure why you made that comment.

Because myself and Oling are the logical spore targets. It is absolutely not a valuable statement, but I saw what happened to GirlySports.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by SebC

Because myself and Oling are the logical spore targets. It is absolutely not a valuable statement, but I saw what happened to GirlySports.

Except we were told that Girly was given the spore, no one said you were given the spore. I'm not going to accuse people of being turned when we don't know where the spore is.

For someone who plays his cards close to his chest it's an odd comment to make.

Originally Posted by starseed

That is outrageous. I'm not deflecting! YOU are deflecting! Everyone be suspicious of Peanut!

After playing mason with you last game, I would like to think I know you a little bit.... This doesn't seem like a post you would make. Unless there was a smiley face on it.
You're a #### of a lot more intelligent than that.

Originally Posted by Peanut

I'm actually reading along and checking in. I often don't feel like I have anything to add that hasn't already been covered by another person already. :/ But even if I don't have new sleuthing ideas I can make an effort to start at least posting who I agree with if that will help the town. Or which arguments make sense to me.

I also notice Pux hasn't been around since her daughter voted for me. Lol. But since I'm reasonably confident she couldn't have been turned yet because of the genetic anomaly, I guess there's a benign explanation for her absence.

Get your head out of your ass. I unvoted you and voted for Devo.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Except we were told that Girly was given the spore, no one said you were given the spore. I'm not going to accuse people of being turned when we don't know where the spore is.

For someone who plays his cards close to his chest it's an odd comment to make.

An example of what I was addressing:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Oling, SebC are my guesses for spore carrier.

I realize that it's a silly disclaimer to make, but having seen not doing so used against a townie, I thought it prudent to play along.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Puxlut I would like to hear more of your Devo22 suspicions.

He's just so...blah. He hasn't got a single vote for him (IIRC... was just looking at final tallies...) he just seems to be playing the "yes" man. That's why he's in my IDK list. I was hoping that my vote might get him talking. When people get defensive, people let things slip (I did last game).

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

The vote that PE posted from you doesn't look like you were saying I jump on certain posters but not others. It looks like you were saying I ignored other peoples logic and wouldn't change my opinion. Then you continue on about how I was central to both the lynching of activeStick and Girly, yet I have posted how I wasn't that central to the activeStick lynch and I don't think you've ever commented on that.

Okay, so I think everyone agrees your role in getting Girly lycned, so I won't go over that. As for the Active vote, here is why I thought you were central to it.

Here is your vote for him:

Originally Posted by Timbo

Unvote
Vote:activestick

Agreed turn up the heat.

1) Voting without much reason - I know it's Day 1, but still some sort of reasoning would help. The general reason from context is they were not active enough

2) Third vote - I often consider the third vote key as that takes the person from just suspicious for a few to a legit lynch candidate. Your vote pushed him over that threshold.

Follow up post to the vote:

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

As far as I can tell this is activeStick's reaction to having the votes against him. Most people will give an excuse for their inactivity, he doesn't even really address his inactivity.

This reads to me like a very general comment to not really stand out, but to kind of deflect the attention. Followed up with more general questions to up the posting numbers.

It's almost like he saw he had 2 votes and thought "if people see my name a couple times maybe they will unvote me."

Also when have any games been ruined for the town? The town lost the last game and that was it, and I don't think the game was lost because of 'crazy analysis' from the town.

3) Timbo put a vote on Active after your vote, so now there was decent town support. It is at this time you form an argument against active. With everyone unsure on Day 1, now that active had four votes and you've re-enforced that active is a good target, it makes it easier for a few others to jump on board

In the final hours before the vote:

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Also what's the deal activeStick, you ask if the smuggler should reveal themselves and then leave? Could you maybe hang out and chat for a bit?

4) Not that you were wrong here, but this comment probably sealed it for Active.

So there are the four factors I considered when I said you were central to the Acitve lynching. The first two were pretty scummy to me, and lead to the third and four factors being more scummy than just first glance. To me, you putting on the third vote and then pressing the issue after the fourth vote made you central to the lynching.

All that being said, it was only Day 1, so this didn't pop up as a huge deal to me; someone has to take charge. But after you lead the charge clearly on Girly in Day 2, I saw that you were central in both lynchings. That starts a pattern, hence my increased suspicions. Further research showed you were attacking certain people and not others, which seemed like you had an agenda of who to go after. Roll all that up, and it seems like you are leading the town and have some sort of plan.

[squiggs96]

If mrkajz turns out to be town, I'll lead the charge to lynch HG. As for now I'm pretty convinced mrk is a host.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Party just because mrkajz had a vote against you with weak reasoning doesn't necessarily mean you are not connected, not only that but he also unvoted you shortly after. From my experience scum have to have 'disagreements' to put a little distance between each other at times.

So while I am not saying you are 100% connected, I am not going to believe you are not connected just because of that earlier exchange.

I understand that it can look like a scum play. I just wanted to point it out as it's my only defence against the link. You guys can decide whether or not you want to believe it.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Party how come earlier when I did this post about the votes against me so far you didn't comment on it?(I cut down the content to just the stuff that applies to you, post #1137). The only thing you commented on was when Puxlut said she just disliked my posting style and her gut said I was scummy.

Now you seem to be saying the same thing I brought up earlier, that you were manipulating what I said.

When I signed up to play mafia, I badly underestimated the time commitment I was signing up for. Those days I would usually just read the posts once or twice, form an opinion and that was that. As the townie bodies have been piling up I realised that half-assing it wasn't acceptable so I committed to reading the thread more thoroughly and posting more detailed posts, with quotes to reference what I was talking about more specifically. I was trusting a hunch, which after all the much heavier reading I've done the last few days seems off base in hindsight. I don't think this explanation will satisfy you but it's all I've got. Diss said it much more eloquently today than I could, but my sentiment is the same:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So I could keep going but what is the point because my goal was to research HG's posts and prove he was scum and steering the town...but I can't. It doesn't add up now, once I went over all of his posts I can see my tunnel vision and most of his posts did have reasoning behind him. I can spin it to make him look scummy but it honestly still doesn't add up. I think I was mistaken, HG is a passenger. You would not believe how hard it is for me to write that though. The evidence to meet however after thouroughly going over it is I am leaning town now. I hate this game sometimes....

Moving on.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

To Party about my voting of HG right after you, I will admit that your vote of HG kick-started my thought process and heaver research on HG. To use the term "pile-on" is unreasonable though, as I laid out my thought process well and continued dialogue with HG after that about how he seems to jump on certain posters, but not others (hence, driving the bus).

As you've seen, I'm not a huge fan of voting early in the day - I prefer to gather information and see how my opinion has changed from the day before (or just earlier in the day) based on new discussions. That does leave me open to criticism I suppose, as I am seen only as a follower, but to me, that is a more effective way of hunting than to just throw out a vote early and see if something sticks.

Appreciate the explanation. Don't think I have much else to comment on here.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Well my thinking was this; if I was host, as much as I would want hockeyguy15 and GirlySports on my team, I don't think I would send the spore to them right away because if it's found they were turned/had the spore someone might be like "who would send the spore to him/her?" and so early in the game the only real connection would be last game.

So there would be a little bit of an unnecessary risk for Hockeyguy15 to encourage the spore going to me the first night, in my opinion.

I was really hoping to see if anyone pushed the agenda on Day 2 about trying to figure out who would send the spore to me.

The last sentence here is a bit odd. Questioning motives to give the spore to you specifically never crossed my mind, and I'm not sure what was gained by not investigating further. I just checked every post you wrote on day 2 and you don't mention this idea once. Why didn't you push this agenda? If it was on your mind, what was gained from not sharing it with the town? And why bring it up now? Scratching my head here. I'm surprised that no one else has quoted you here as it's certainly sticking out to me.

[Party Elephant]

arrrrgh waiting until morning for replies is the worst part of this game!

[devo22]

hey, this is the blah guy checking in ... had no chance to get online yesterday, was stuck at parents-teacher meetings all day. Will catch up today after work.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

After playing mason with you last game, I would like to think I know you a little bit.... This doesn't seem like a post you would make. Unless there was a smiley face on it.
You're a #### of a lot more intelligent than that.

I was just kidding.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

He's just so...blah. He hasn't got a single vote for him (IIRC... was just looking at final tallies...) he just seems to be playing the "yes" man. That's why he's in my IDK list. I was hoping that my vote might get him talking. When people get defensive, people let things slip (I did last game).

Definitely noticed this as well. To me this makes him suspicious rather than a neutral. He is my second choice.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I just checked every post you wrote on day 2 and you don't mention this idea once. Why didn't you push this agenda?

You're misinterpreting what I meant. I didn't want to push the discussion because I thought it would be playing into the Hosts' hands. I think there were enough people who would have given me the spore, but I think if the Host gave it to me hoping to frame someone then it would have been hockeyguy15 they were hoping to take the blame. And I don't think hockeyguy15 would have been involved in giving me the spore as an unneeded connection just given his playstyle last game as avoiding any suspicion he could.

I wanted to see if anyone did push that discussion, as they would have been my top choice. No one really did in Day 2.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You're misinterpreting what I meant. I didn't want to push the discussion because I thought it would be playing into the Hosts' hands. I think there were enough people who would have given me the spore, but I think if the Host gave it to me hoping to frame someone then it would have been hockeyguy15 they were hoping to take the blame. And I don't think hockeyguy15 would have been involved in giving me the spore as an unneeded connection just given his playstyle last game as avoiding any suspicion he could.

I wanted to see if anyone did push that discussion, as they would have been my top choice. No one really did in Day 2.

It's not like i spent a long time looking up every one of your posts from day 2 or anything...

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You're misinterpreting what I meant. I didn't want to push the discussion because I thought it would be playing into the Hosts' hands. I think there were enough people who would have given me the spore, but I think if the Host gave it to me hoping to frame someone then it would have been hockeyguy15 they were hoping to take the blame. And I don't think hockeyguy15 would have been involved in giving me the spore as an unneeded connection just given his playstyle last game as avoiding any suspicion he could.

I wanted to see if anyone did push that discussion, as they would have been my top choice. No one really did in Day 2.

If we won the coin toss, we should have someone announce they have the spore early in the next game day. Are there any conclusions that could be drawn from that? Knowing the Captain/hosts sent it to you + their second choice (which could still be you), who would be more likely to send it to what players?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Okay, so I think everyone agrees your role in getting Girly lycned, so I won't go over that. As for the Active vote, here is why I thought you were central to it.

Here is your vote for him:



1) Voting without much reason - I know it's Day 1, but still some sort of reasoning would help. The general reason from context is they were not active enough

2) Third vote - I often consider the third vote key as that takes the person from just suspicious for a few to a legit lynch candidate. Your vote pushed him over that threshold.

This is my vote for activeStick, the one you quoted was from Timbo, if you are going to post your case again someone you should really use their posts. The reason I voted for him was because Bizaro had a post laying out a case for activeStick based on the fact that he wasn't posting much content and it was mostly questions. I know from previous games that is a way for scum to hide on day 1 so I wanted to see how activeStick would react after having some votes put on him.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Unvote

Vote: activeStick

Let's see what turning up the heat does. He posts lots of questions but not much else.

You also said not to long ago that the 4th vote is somewhat scummy, so if we go with your logic about the 3rd and 4th vote being scummy we come up with this. Day 1 I am 3rd on activeStick, you are 4th on Girly. If we look at actual vote order before people moved their votes as far as I can tell you were 3rd on PE, and then 4th on Girly. Guess who was 3rd on Girly? activeStick. So while it's fine to keep in mind the vote order it doesn't always mean scum.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Follow up post to the vote:



3) Timbo put a vote on Active after your vote, so now there was decent town support. It is at this time you form an argument against active. With everyone unsure on Day 1, now that active had four votes and you've re-enforced that active is a good target, it makes it easier for a few others to jump on board

I posted that after I had voted because I felt it gave more insight as to why I agreed with Bizaro, and why I was comfortable with my vote on activeStick. So you didn't like my vote because there wasn't a reason included, I clarify my reasoning and you don't like that either.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

In the final hours before the vote:



4) Not that you were wrong here, but this comment probably sealed it for Active.

So there are the four factors I considered when I said you were central to the Acitve lynching. The first two were pretty scummy to me, and lead to the third and four factors being more scummy than just first glance. To me, you putting on the third vote and then pressing the issue after the fourth vote made you central to the lynching.

All that being said, it was only Day 1, so this didn't pop up as a huge deal to me; someone has to take charge. But after you lead the charge clearly on Girly in Day 2, I saw that you were central in both lynchings. That starts a pattern, hence my increased suspicions. Further research showed you were attacking certain people and not others, which seemed like you had an agenda of who to go after. Roll all that up, and it seems like you are leading the town and have some sort of plan.

Yes, I posed that because activeStick hints at a reveal and disappears. I doubt that comment sealed it for him, because other people were talking about it as well. It seems that with this point you are just looking for something to reinforce your theory to yourself.

I disagree that I was central to the lynch. Bizaro had reasoning that made sense to me, so I voted for activeStick and then clarified why I was comfortable with my vote. Everyone else has their own opinion and reasons to vote for someone, I did not push the vote on activeStick like I did with Girly.

Again you bring up I was going after certain people but not others, and I have already addressed this with you. I go after people I think are hosts, and I don't go after people I think are town, that is the only agenda I have.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Get your head out of your ass. I unvoted you and voted for Devo.

Sorry?