Ottawa threatening hate charges against those who boycott Israel

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't necessarily agree, things are spiralling out of control. Besides, the speech seems to be going beyond speech and into acts of violence based off of lies.

Sounds like Israeli foreign policy.

Want to do something productive? Engage in safe and useful dialogue. If no one condoned violence and instead promoted peace, there could be a solution.

Instead, the proposal is to ban people or products from Israel?

I certainly hope Israel would stop segregating the Palestinian people, and building walls around the West Bank, and give them full access to the Old City. Israel should also relinquish East Jerusalem to the Arabs. The truth is, Israel does not want peace. If Israel legitimately wanted peace, they would retreat to the pre-1967 boundaries, in exchange for peace with all Arab nations. However, that will never happen, for religious reasons.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Oh wait, I forgot someone was repeating lies about jews, I should know better and not call a spade a spade.

If anything, the website should be bouncing that crap, not me calling them on it.

I fail to see anyone on this forum making up lies about Jews. Criticism of Israel does NOT equal criticism of Jews. Unfortunately, that may be beyond your comprehension.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Oh wait, I forgot someone was repeating lies about jews, I should know better and not call a spade a spade.

If anything, the website should be bouncing that crap, not me calling them on it.

I would like to ask you a question.

As a Jew, that doesn't support Israel, and the ridiculous amount of military firepower they have been granted by the US, What does that make me?

An anti-semite semite?

There are many issues with Israel, yet you paint it as this utopia of perfection where the people and politicians have never, and will never, ever do anything wrong.

I'm sorry to break it to you. Israel is not perfect, and not every single Israelite is a saint.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Utter garbage of a post. Israel has no segregation and everyone has the same civil rights. Arabs, jews, sex etc all the same. Arabs have more rights in Israel than they would pretty much anywhere else in the middle east.

So if Israel is a country where everyone has civil rights, Arabs and Jews alike, and if Arabs enjoy citizenship in the state of Israel, how can boycotting Israel be anti-semitic?

Do you think this boycott is also about boycotting Israeli arabs? Are they part of the Semitism that a boycott hopes to fight? Is John Baird hoping to protect Arab Israeli's from hate speech?

I don't get it, are you using the term semite like an anthropologist or like a zionist?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, to the extent anyone is willing to make that comparison, I'm pretty much done with the discussion. This whole topic just sucks to talk about - no one seems able to deal with it objectively.

Yuuuuup.

[nik-]

lol, look at you guys trying to get rational responses. Haven't you learned by now?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yuuuuup.

Anything even remotely political goes south pretty quick 'round here, 'tis the nature of the beast, since our only unifying love is hockey.

There are some very very very different people on this forum.

[cracher]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tori...ters-1.3069723

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Anything even remotely political goes south pretty quick 'round here, 'tis the nature of the beast, since our only unifying love is hockey.

There are some very very very different people on this forum.

Yeah but it's so much worse on this topic. Not just here, everywhere.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah but it's so much worse on this topic. Not just here, everywhere.

Because it's such a convoluted mess. A mess that goes back centuries for some. And quite frankly, most people don't know the actual history. It's a terrible issue where both countries spit half-truths, both countries do wrong by the Palestinian people, and no one gets any further ahead. When I grew up in the Jewish community, it almost felt like we needed to defend Israel because we knew the terrible history. The things that people living in these lands, and surrounding lands (Lebanon etc) wanted to do to eradicate the Israeli people was a real, actual threat. The problem now is that Israel believes that because it was like this for so long, that the second they let up, they'll be attacked, despite the fact the US and many countries would come to their aid right away. Then comes Netanyahu who completely makes every wrong move and turns Israel into a warmonger. No longer can you defend them because it doesn't matter anymore whether or not Lebanon or other countries would wipe them off the map. Now it is at a point where Netanyahu is trying to propagandize and lead a people to believe it needs to do the exact same thing as what's being done to them(this is supported by polls in Israel). So Israel, out of its' initial need for defense, is becoming the exact thing it tried so hard to fight off. And no longer does Israel care about the optics. All these things they claim - that they are truly trying to help the Palestinian people (once a claim they had proof for, including their attempts to give them vegetation), is completely undone by this leader's decisions.

Similar to how the Muslim world is being asked to stand up against extremism in its' ranks, so too must we be able to stand up against what has now become extremism in Israel. And we must be free to do this without worrying our own government will be watching us for it.

[pylon]

nm

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by pylon

I would like to ask you a question.

As a Jew, that doesn't support Israel, and the ridiculous amount of military firepower they have been granted by the US, What does that make me?

Not sure, but if Israel did not have the military, they wouldn't exist. They would all be killed.

Originally Posted by pylon

An anti-semite semite?

Not sure why you wouldn't support Israel, unless you don't support many other countries as well. Why just Israel?

Originally Posted by pylon

There are many issues with Israel, yet you paint it as this utopia of perfection where the people and politicians have never, and will never, ever do anything wrong.

Never have, I just call out posters that post blatant lies (then I get attacked, see this thread). Israel is not perfect, and I am always happy to debate the subject. But I don't debate with the blatant hateful lies. It is very telling when so many posters KNOW that they are defending a guy who is posting lies.

Originally Posted by pylon

I'm sorry to break it to you. Israel is not perfect, and not every single Israelite is a saint.

Never said that, and sad to see you now jumping on me due to poor misquotes by the usual group.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by nik-

lol, look at you guys trying to get rational responses. Haven't you learned by now?

Niki - you are as bad as the rest of them. Do you believe the posts I called out were truthful or lies meant to misinform?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you think calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot, a liar, and an anti-semite is furthering your cause, or hurting it?

This is not about disagreement. It is about someone posting lies and hateful posts.

Do you believe the poster was truthful or posting anti semitic nonsense?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Please identify, by quoting them, the anti-semitic statements you think have been posted in this thread.

[The Ditch]

Clicked on this thread expecting Nage Waza to have an insufferable persecution complex and call everyone anti semites regardless if their opinion on Israel was valid.

was not disappointed.

[Table 5]

Yep, thread got Naged, as is tradition.

[PsYcNeT]

I like how he didn't respond to the best written post in the thread.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

Because it's such a convoluted mess. A mess that goes back centuries for some. And quite frankly, most people don't know the actual history. It's a terrible issue where both countries spit half-truths, both countries do wrong by the Palestinian people, and no one gets any further ahead. When I grew up in the Jewish community, it almost felt like we needed to defend Israel because we knew the terrible history. The things that people living in these lands, and surrounding lands (Lebanon etc) wanted to do to eradicate the Israeli people was a real, actual threat. The problem now is that Israel believes that because it was like this for so long, that the second they let up, they'll be attacked, despite the fact the US and many countries would come to their aid right away. Then comes Netanyahu who completely makes every wrong move and turns Israel into a warmonger. No longer can you defend them because it doesn't matter anymore whether or not Lebanon or other countries would wipe them off the map. Now it is at a point where Netanyahu is trying to propagandize and lead a people to believe it needs to do the exact same thing as what's being done to them(this is supported by polls in Israel). So Israel, out of its' initial need for defense, is becoming the exact thing it tried so hard to fight off. And no longer does Israel care about the optics. All these things they claim - that they are truly trying to help the Palestinian people (once a claim they had proof for, including their attempts to give them vegetation), is completely undone by this leader's decisions.

Similar to how the Muslim world is being asked to stand up against extremism in its' ranks, so too must we be able to stand up against what has now become extremism in Israel. And we must be free to do this without worrying our own government will be watching us for it.

I think you make a good point but are really underestimating the continued threat of violence. Merely because there does not currently exist a threat that is likely to destroy Israel in the near future, does not mean they should not be vigilant.

Firstly, I the continued violence towards Israel is enough to elicit a military response from any country in the world. Would you tolerate the occasional missile into your backyard.

Secondly, groups like Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, etc.. are right on Israel's doorstep. No, they don't have the power to destroy Israel right now. However, who knows what they will become. They also most certainly have the power to perform a serious attack on Israeli civilians, if they ever let their guard down.

Your characterization of Israel being the only military aggressor right now is simply wrong. It seems as though your whole argument is based on the concept that Israel has an obligation to put themselves into a weakened position where they are at the mercy of a group like Hamas/ISIS or they aren't playing fair.

[btimbit]

I'm not even going to touch the Israel side of this, that's a path I have neither the knowledge or time to go down.

But haven't international boycotts against any race, national or ethnic origin or religion been illegal for about 30 years now? This isn't new, it's just in the news because "omg Harper, omg Israel."