Ottawa threatening hate charges against those who boycott Israel

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm with you. I can see someone TRYING to stretch 319(2) to fit the circumstances but I don't think it will be successful by any means. It should fall under (3)(c) for the most part.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm with you. I can see someone TRYING to stretch 319(2) to fit the circumstances but I don't think it will be successful by any means. It should fall under (3)(c) for the most part.

To add to this, the history of hate crime laws has always revolved around judicial interpretation. The interpretation thus far has been to interpret them quite narrowly. For example Zundel's conviction was overturned. David Ahenakew who stated in relation to the holocaust "How else do you get rid of a disease like that, that's going to take over, that's going to dominate?" was also not convicted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/when-i...ases-1.1036731

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by pria(kin)16

Source please. If you're referring to the famed memo to the New York Times, it was a fake and was actually written by Arjan El Fassed of the Electronic Intifada.

http://electronicintifada.net/conten...-friedman/4826

Also wanted to add this op-ed piece by Kenneth Meshoe, a South African member of parliament calling the labeling of Israel as an apartheid state as slanderous, deceptive and a ridiculous accusation.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...nt?oid=2339168

Well it looks like Mandela was misquoted, and it was actually Yassir Arafat who claimed Israel was an Apartheid state. Having said that, I definitely see parallels between the way the South African Government treated black people, compared to Israel's treatment of Palestinians who reside in the West Bank.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/apolog...edit-apartheid

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by peter12

Boycotting Israel is idiotic, and probably a little bit anti-semitic.

Not really. Israel is one of the worst offenders of Human Rights in the world. People have boycotted China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Indonesia (East Timor), Iraq, North Korea, South Africa, and many other countries in the last 50 years.

[David Struch]

This is not the same Canada that our grandfathers fought for during the Second World War.

Even the Liberals are supporting the Harper Government Bill C-51.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Well it looks like Mandela was misquoted, and it was actually Yassir Arafat who claimed Israel was an Apartheid state. Having said that, I definitely see parallels between the way the South African Government treated black people, compared to Israel's treatment of Palestinians who reside in the West Bank.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/apolog...edit-apartheid

Utter garbage of a post. Israel has no segregation and everyone has the same civil rights. Arabs, jews, sex etc all the same. Arabs have more rights in Israel than they would pretty much anywhere else in the middle east.

On top of that the West Bank is made up of several parts, some governed by the Palestinian Authority, some both, and some Israel. The entire area resulted from the Six Day war, captured from Jordan. Jordan washed their hands of the area, and in fact borders half of it.

But you can ignore all of that. In fact, ignore that Israel offered all the land back for peace. Only Egypt and Jordan made peace, but still do not appear to want anything to do with the Palestinians. The 'Utter Garbage' of your post is to ignore the truth, spread misinformation, and ignore the fact that Jordan literally walked away from the Palestinians and took away citizenship.

On top of that, that website is criticized for being venemous in it's attacks against Israel.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Not really. Israel is one of the worst offenders of Human Rights in the world. People have boycotted China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Indonesia (East Timor), Iraq, North Korea, South Africa, and many other countries in the last 50 years.

More pathetic attacks.

Israel is nothing like countries with real human rights problems, yet receives all of the condemnation. While Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, Syria are poster boys, a nation that provides the same rights of same sex couples as they do heterosexual couples, has freedom of the press, speech and religion, you only criticize Israel.

This is the reason the government is willing to change the hate rules - the rhetoric is completely out of control, and fools believe they are informing the uninformed and playing the useful idiot. Not just that, it is becoming unsafe for simply being Jewish and standing up to this nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

More pathetic attacks.

Israel is nothing like countries with real human rights problems, yet receives all of the condemnation. While Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, Syria are poster boys, a nation that provides the same rights of same sex couples as they do heterosexual couples, has freedom of the press, speech and religion, you only criticize Israel.

This is the reason the government is willing to change the hate rules - the rhetoric is completely out of control, and fools believe they are informing the uninformed and playing the useful idiot. Not just that, it is becoming unsafe for simply being Jewish and standing up to this nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

I don't care if rhetoric is out of control. My freedom of speech should be off limits when it comes to a boycott or suggesting one. Period. Full stop.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Pretty sure you're not allowed to call other posters idiots, useful or otherwise.

At least I think you're not?

Whatever, I don't even know anymore.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Pretty sure you're not allowed to call other posters idiots, useful or otherwise.

At least I think you're not?

Whatever, I don't even know anymore.

Oh wait, I forgot someone was repeating lies about jews, I should know better and not call a spade a spade.

If anything, the website should be bouncing that crap, not me calling them on it.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I don't care if rhetoric is out of control. My freedom of speech should be off limits when it comes to a boycott or suggesting one. Period. Full stop.

I don't necessarily agree, things are spiralling out of control. Besides, the speech seems to be going beyond speech and into acts of violence based off of lies.

Want to do something productive? Engage in safe and useful dialogue. If no one condoned violence and instead promoted peace, there could be a solution.

Instead, the proposal is to ban people or products from Israel?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Oh wait, I forgot someone was repeating lies about jews, I should know better and not call a spade a spade.

If anything, the website should be bouncing that crap, not me calling them on it.

Do you think calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot, a liar, and an anti-semite is furthering your cause, or hurting it?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't necessarily agree, things are spiralling out of control. Besides, the speech seems to be going beyond speech and into acts of violence based off of lies.

Want to do something productive? Engage in safe and useful dialogue. If no one condoned violence and instead promoted peace, there could be a solution.

Instead, the proposal is to ban people or products from Israel?

My freedom of speech should allow me to say, in public, that I don't support Israel, it's products or economy. That should be fine. Zero wrong with that statement.

You suggesting that I shouldn't be able to say those things (not that I want to.. I don't support an Israeli boycott) is deeply offensive to me.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Oh wait, I forgot someone was repeating lies about jews zionists

Fixed your post. Don't lump the rest of us jews in with those war mongers.

[JeanLucPicard]

[CroFlames]

We all agree the government doing something like this is ridiculous.

However, if someone "boycotts" Israel (whatever that even means) does that make him anti-Semitic? I'm not sure it does.

If it does make one anti-Semitic though, would a boycott of Russia and Russian products make you an anti-Russian? If so, why is one worse than the other?

Yes, you can argue Russia has done despicable things and therefor should be boycotted, but it just makes one scratch his head as to why its "ok" in society to be anti-Russian, but not anti-Israel. If you are Arab or Palestinian, I'm sure you objectively or subjectively think some things Israel has done has been despicable. America has also done some pretty despicable things. Same principle applies.

Interesting topic.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Utter garbage of a post. Israel has no segregation and everyone has the same civil rights. Arabs, jews, sex etc all the same. Arabs have more rights in Israel than they would pretty much anywhere else in the middle east.

On top of that the West Bank is made up of several parts, some governed by the Palestinian Authority, some both, and some Israel. The entire area resulted from the Six Day war, captured from Jordan. Jordan washed their hands of the area, and in fact borders half of it.

But you can ignore all of that. In fact, ignore that Israel offered all the land back for peace. Only Egypt and Jordan made peace, but still do not appear to want anything to do with the Palestinians. The 'Utter Garbage' of your post is to ignore the truth, spread misinformation, and ignore the fact that Jordan literally walked away from the Palestinians and took away citizenship.

On top of that, that website is criticized for being venemous in it's attacks against Israel.

I'm sorry, but I have to chuckle at your post, as it could have come straight from the Israel Minister of Propaganda.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We all agree the government doing something like this is ridiculous.

However, if someone "boycotts" Israel (whatever that even means) does that make him anti-Semitic? I'm not sure it does.

If it does make one anti-Semitic though, would a boycott of Russia and Russian products make you an anti-Russian? If so, why is one worse than the other?

Yes, you can argue Russia has done despicable things and therefor should be boycotted, but it just makes one scratch his head as to why its "ok" in society to be anti-Russian, but not anti-Israel.

[CroFlames]

Haha case closed eh?

[PsYcNeT]

Russia doesn't benefit from the egregiously common belief of Christian Zionism, thanks to the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells of the world.