[Rumour] Dreger: Hall is the face of the Oiler's culture problem. I expect him to be shopped

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't see the Isles trading Brock Nelson he seems like an ideal #2 behind JT. Strome and Reinhart makes so much sense for both teams

The Isles take on too much contract. Bailey and Reinhart makes more sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

A Flames message board is probably the absolute worst place to try and get accurate information about Oiler players. Maybe second worst after an Oilers message board.

Originally Posted by Hackey

Can you give some examples of packages from teams that would show what you think he is worth?

Originally Posted by Hackey

You don't need to be privy to the same information as GMS to know where you personally see his value. I'm not asking you to guess the exact value or trade, just curious to see where exactly you see his value since you have such a strong opinion of where it is not.

Originally Posted by Hackey

So what is his value in your eyes? You said he has "little trade value." What is a package or two that you see as fair value?

Originally Posted by Hackey

So what is his value? What would be a reasonable example of a market value trade in your eyes?

Instead of a constant stream of garbage like this, why don't you post something to add to the conversation?

For instance... maybe your opinion of a fair return?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Obviously he won't net the return Oilers fans think he will. But Hall's not the hot junk fans on this board are claiming either.

Who claimed he was hot junk? (no one that I saw)

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Instead of a constant stream of garbage like this, why don't you post something to add to the conversation?

For instance... maybe your opinion of a fair return?

4 outta his 5 posts were asking the same question, sounds like he was just frustrated people refused to answer.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

4 outta his 5 posts were asking the same question, sounds like he was just frustrated people refused to answer.

there are some really possessive / stalker-ish posters on here sometimes..... kind of weird

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

4 outta his 5 posts were asking the same question, sounds like he was just frustrated people refused to answer.

Except there were about a half dozen posts about what the return would look like, by comparison to similar trades and in various proposals.

[FlameZilla]

Poor Taylor Hall... Work your arse off as a kid to get drafted 1st overall and then end up in that circus up North. No Flames fan deserves such a fate.

It would take a serious package to acquire him. Start with Bollig, Engelland, Stajan and work from there. Even that might not be enough to get er done.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Poor Taylor Hall... Work your arse off as a kid to get drafted 1st overall and then end up in that circus up North. No Flames fan deserves such a fate.

It would take a serious package to acquire him. Start with Bollig, Engelland, Stajan and work from there. Even that might not be enough to get er done.

Paying that cost for Hall would totally sabotage our rebuild.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Poor Taylor Hall... Work your arse off as a kid to get drafted 1st overall and then end up in that circus up North. No Flames fan deserves such a fate.

He's living the dream of a Flames' fan. He gets paid $6M per year to sabotage the Oilers from the inside.

[kehatch]

Oilers trade Hall, RNH, and Yakupov for Seguin, Landeskog, and Murray.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Instead of a constant stream of garbage like this, why don't you post something to add to the conversation?

For instance... maybe your opinion of a fair return?

I already said in the thread I thought a package centered around the Islander prospects (Strome, Reinhart) or something like the proposed Philly offer around Coburn Schenn/Couturier was fair. The Bobby Ryan deal is close but I think Hall has more value than Ryan. That good enough for you?

MOD EDIT: Removed inappropriate comment.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I already said in the thread I thought a package centered around the Islander prospects (Strome, Reinhart) or something like the proposed Philly offer around Coburn Schenn/Couturier was fair. The Bobby Ryan deal is close but I think Hall has more value than Ryan. That good enough for you?

lol... and you're trying to claim that I'm getting emotional? Ok then.

Anyways, ignoring your insults and petty outbursts, I agree that the Philly deal is in the ballpark. I don't think the Islanders would consider Strome and Reinhart, but Reinhart + somebody solid also has the makings of a deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think the best deal for the Oilers is one where they grab the type of veteran talents they are missing and make a cap hurting team a deal that helps their future as well. I'm thinking Hall, Yakupov and Nurse for Seabrook, Sharp, Teravainen and Johns. Chicago gets three long term pieces that will help their cap. Edmonton gets two vets that will make a difference in the dressing room and a couple of kids with good potential and character. I see this as a win-win for both teams in the near and long term.

[browna]

Originally Posted by New Era

I think the best deal for the Oilers is one where they grab the type of veteran talents they are missing and make a cap hurting team a deal that helps their future as well. I'm thinking Hall, Yakupov and Nurse for Seabrook, Sharp, Teravainen and Johns. Chicago gets three long term pieces that will help their cap. Edmonton gets two vets that will make a difference in the dressing room and a couple of kids with good potential and character. I see this as a win-win for both teams in the near and long term.

Hawks may or may not want to do that, but Sharp has an NMC, Seabrook an NTC. There's waiving because you know you're not in the team's plans...but this isn't that scenario with the state the Oilers are in, with Lowe and all his slimy tricks which probably all in the PA are well aware of.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Hall's value IMO is a serviceable top 6 complimentary player, a top 4 dman and a 1st and a 2nd/B level prospect. From Calgary (not that they'd ever move him to us) it would look something like Brodie+Backlund+Reinhart+1st. Maybe instead of a 1st, it could be a 2nd. Sounds expensive, sure but I'd be really surprised if he went for much less than that. That's me trying to be as fair as I possibly can to both sides. For the record I like Hall, I think he'd be considered a top 10 player in the game right now had Boston drafted him.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Hall's value IMO is a serviceable top 6 complimentary player, a top 4 dman and a 1st and a 2nd/B level prospect. From Calgary (not that they'd ever move him to us) it would look something like Brodie+Backlund+Reinhart+1st. Maybe instead of a 1st, it could be a 2nd. Sounds expensive, sure but I'd be really surprised if he went for much less than that. That's me trying to be as fair as I possibly can to both sides. For the record I like Hall, I think he'd be considered a top 10 player in the game right now had Boston drafted him.

Brodie+Backlund+2nd

might be closer to fair value.

but Brodie+Backlund+Reinhart+1st??? not close IMO, I straight up just don't think Hall is that exceptional, plus a winger to boot.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

From Calgary (not that they'd ever move him to us) it would look something like Brodie+Backlund+Reinhart+1st. Maybe instead of a 1st, it could be a 2nd.

I wouldn't do Brodie straight up.

If it was the Hall right out of junior I would pay heavy for him. The Hall of today is lazy, makes dumb plays and has a long contract. He scores a lot of points but he is a train wreck in his own end.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Oilers trade Hall, RNH, and Yakupov for Seguin, Landeskog, and Murray.

Hard to believe they managed to get the top pick wrong 3 straight years. They'd be so much scarier with the latter 3.

[MrMastodonFarm]

If you believe Brodie is a true top 2 defensemen, you don't trade him for Hall.

[dino7c]

wait I thought Hall was the best LW in hockey