CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

You've done nothing but defend the person I think is mafia while trying to ninja kill me.

Ninja kill you?

You mean when I tied the game and pushed it into extra time and got us another 4 days to discuss things? I tied the vote at 3.

If I wanted to stop the Diss lynch straight out I would have used the powers. I voted to tie the game and put it into overtime.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Ninja kill you?

You mean when I tied the game and pushed it into extra time and got us another 4 days to discuss things? I tied the vote at 3.

If I wanted to stop the Diss lynch straight out I would have used the powers. I voted to tie the game and put it into overtime.

I refreshed and both you and hockeyguy15 had changed votes. I don't know if you had enough time to cast that vote on a phone as reaction to hockeyguy15. I think you should be able to understand that.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Sorry, hockeyguy15 changed, you voted. But I mean this was like 10 seconds apart I felt.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I refreshed and both you and hockeyguy15 had changed votes. I don't know if you had enough time to cast that vote on a phone as reaction to hockeyguy15. I think you should be able to understand that.

HG15's vote was at 9:59pm. Mine was at 10:00pm. Full minute. More then enough time to cast a vote.

Did you see what Timbo and I had to do last night? That was proof you can see someone cast a vote, read it, cast your own all within a minute.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

HG15's vote was at 9:59pm. Mine was at 10:00pm. Full minute. More then enough time to cast a vote.

Did you see what Timbo and I had to do last night? That was proof you can see someone cast a vote, read it, cast your own all within a minute.

I was on for the first vote, and when I refreshed at 9:59 there was no changes, when I refreshed there was both of yours. His might have been at 9:59:59 and yours 10:00:01. It just felt super close. Like I said, 1 refresh.

I wasn't on yesterday.

[Drury18]

So Oling, if we don't kill mafia before the night and Timbo doesn't bucket you for the investigation and you investigate me, what's the assurance you don't lie about the results?

I know I'm town. I know I don't do anything at night. You, however, have bounced around between saying I'm town and scum and throwing out all sorts of theories and pointing fingers at everyone except Timbo. What's my assurance you tell the truth that you see me do nothing?

[Oling_Roachinen]

But if you look at my posts as a townie who believes you could be (could, not certain) be mafia, you have to understand I know I can't convince Timbo if it ends up me, you and him tomorrow. It's 2-1 against me and town loses.

If we leave the option open for him to bucket, I don't care if it's roll 6 dice and all 6 have to show 2 for him to bucket me, just a slight option, then the mafia might want to kill me. I die and hopefully Timbo didn't bucket me. I reveal town. That's nearly as good of an outcome to me.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I was on for the first vote, and when I refreshed at 9:59 there was no changes, when I refreshed there was both of yours. His might have been at 9:59:59 and yours 10:00:01. It just felt super close. Like I said, 1 refresh.

I wasn't on yesterday.

Well go back and read this page: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...40041&page=256

Shows how quick you can do it when you are reading the board and refreshing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

So Oling, if we don't kill mafia before the night and Timbo doesn't bucket you for the investigation and you investigate me, what's the assurance you don't lie about the results?

I know I'm town. I know I don't do anything at night. You, however, have bounced around between saying I'm town and scum and throwing out all sorts of theories and pointing fingers at everyone except Timbo. What's my assurance you tell the truth that you see me do nothing?

There is no assurance. Best case scenario is honestly the mafia kills me and reveals my town. The only way they will kill me is if they are afraid of the possibility that Timbo buckets me.

I know I'm town too, at least I have bounced around with you. You put me as scum and stuck there for the past couple days. At least that's how I feel.

[Oling_Roachinen]

And honestly with day off tomorrow there's a certainty that I will be posting less and a possibility I will be gone down for most of the day. It will come down to my phone, which makes posting suck, but we might be going to the theatres.

It's no secret who I think is mafia. I don't believe any of his powers, his doctor, his votes, his two different unlynchable ability things. I think he gives us the absolute best shot at mafia. You can read my posts for all of the reasons.

If you read my posts as a townie, there's no inconsistencies, simply because I am town. If I was mafia, would I want to have Timbo get my investigation result? I would have been happy with him not using his bucket.

If Diss is mafia and someone sways, I have my investigation to use between Drury18 or hockeyguy15. I guess in actuality it doesn't matter too much if Diss shows mafia.

[Drury18]

There's not alot of people left to suspect as scum.

I've got how many dead townies that went down screaming your name? That's hard to ignore. Really hard to ignore. Am I being a good townie if I go "Well, lets just ignore what my teammates say"?

My other suspect is HG15. Hence why I've brought it up a couple times. No investigation results, no real record of his powers being a "normal" role. I mean I'll admit in your case, least tracker shows up as a potential town power. I can find your role, I can see how it works. This rewind is something Mazrim looks to have crafted, which really makes me wonder if it is like that NHL game where Bettman had a number of secondary powers in addition to Godfather and kills and such. HG has also played a bit under the radar. You and me are loudmouths. Not bashing, I'm fully admitting I'm one too. Not sure if that's a benefit or a liability but it's not like when you see how many posts we've made, you are shocked or can't remember something we've said. HG15 actually has more posts then me. Does it seem like it? And he was also absent from the Aeneas vote and voted GirlySports but pulled off really quick when she said she was Princess. Timbo did something similar too.

Diss...sorry but never really got the scum feeling about him. I've re-read things, and aside from his showing up at 10:01pm last night, I just don't get that gut feeling that he's scum. The two other mafia voting for him as a last vote makes no sense. That's like painting a big red arrow on him and why would they do that?

[Drury18]

And if Diss is unlynchable and we get no flip, where does that leave us?

If he's not lying about that ability and we attempt to lynch and get nothing, what's the plan then? We only get a flip off the night kill and I would bet that the mafia go for me or Timbo because it won't really change much then what we are going with now. We flip town, you guys go "yea, figured it".

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

There's not alot of people left to suspect as scum.

I've got how many dead townies that went down screaming your name? That's hard to ignore. Really hard to ignore. Am I being a good townie if I go "Well, lets just ignore what my teammates say"?

Can you list these townies? Squiggs96 voted Puxlut, Starseed shot Timbo and Puxlut very well could have put that vote on Diss. Yeah, they all suspected me as well but who else? And notice that Diss was against them all...right up until they actually went out and he changed his opinion. Take a look at how he often he vote Squiggs96 and yet he didn't vote for him on the lynch? He knew he was town, he knew it would be blood on his hand at that point. He says he changes his mind and looks good.

Originally Posted by Drury

My other suspect is HG15. Hence why I've brought it up a couple times. No investigation results, no real record of his powers being a "normal" role. I mean I'll admit in your case, least tracker shows up as a potential town power. I can find your role, I can see how it works. This rewind is something Mazrim looks to have crafted, which really makes me wonder if it is like that NHL game where Bettman had a number of secondary powers in addition to Godfather and kills and such. HG has also played a bit under the radar. You and me are loudmouths. Not bashing, I'm fully admitting I'm one too. Not sure if that's a benefit or a liability but it's not like when you see how many posts we've made, you are shocked or can't remember something we've said. HG15 actually has more posts then me. Does it seem like it?

I agree completely. That's why I said I thought he was Godfather. I wasn't lying. And then he saved me. I'm town, why would he save town? He may be playing super high level but when Diss changed his vote to Hockeyguy15 and was willing to kill him I didn't think he was mafia. Unless he had the Governor ability from the Guardians and that's why he was on. If I would have showed up and voted HG15, he uses it and we go in with a non-lynch. If i don't show up he could have just changed his vote if you guys didn't. So I think he had his bases covered, but you are the one suggestion he is telling the truth about unlynchable which makes me believe he wasn't working with HG15.

Originally Posted by Drury

And he was also absent from the Aeneas vote and voted GirlySports but pulled off really quick when she said she was Princess. Timbo did something similar too.

When did Diss vote girlysports, when did he get off? That's been my argument against him.

Originally Posted by Drury

Diss...sorry but never really got the scum feeling about him. I've re-read things, and aside from his showing up at 10:01pm last night, I just don't get that gut feeling that he's scum. The two other mafia voting for him as a last vote makes no sense. That's like painting a big red arrow on him and why would they do that?

Because Wood said that we needed to kill Girlysports, Aeneas and Dissentwoner. They had to separate themselves. The biggest reason you think he is town is because the actions of 2 mafia members in a super blatant move that seems super planned. If we did lynch him, they claim they were happy to lynch him, if he survives and they die, it's obvious they were against him.

He said he had 3 powers that all made him a non-suspect if he showed up to the townies who died. Just like Girlysports who came up with a power that made us not want to lynch, and Diss made sure to jump off right away, they put care into revealing their fake powers.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

And if Diss is unlynchable and we get no flip, where does that leave us?

My power didn't work. Even if we believe him, which I don't, why would his work?

Originally Posted by Drury

If he's not lying about that ability and we attempt to lynch and get nothing, what's the plan then? We only get a flip off the night kill and I would bet that the mafia go for me or Timbo because it won't really change much then what we are going with now. We flip town, you guys go "yea, figured it".

I'm not changing my vote, sorry. Not with Diss' pressure to kill hockeyguy15 and the way that you guys said I was mafia so certainly but didn't want Timbo to bucket me either. I understand the reasoning was complicated, but it wasn't wrong, not from my perspective.

Going to have to accept the powers or convince Hockeyguy15 to lynch himself.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Drury, if you go back to my previous post for the actual vote count, at one point the vote count was 6 for diss and 1 for girlysports. The hammer only required 7. So why did they get so impatient? They weren't in risk of dieing. So why be so blatant about trying to kill Diss, especially when Aeneas could have hammered at one point?

The mafia had played well up until that point, you suspected them all, but never had they really been close to the lynch. So it wasn't noobie mistake, it was a calculated move to distance themselves and it's worked. Everyone called Diss confirmed town, including me who asked the town to kill me instead of him if it came to it when we were tied 4-4. But he also has 2 super powerful abilities to ruin the mafia's day and they let him live until now? Why?

[Hockeyguy15]

Well that escalated quickly. I'll catch up in the morning.

How do I take myself off invisible mode?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Can you list these townies? Squiggs96 voted Puxlut, Starseed shot Timbo and Puxlut very well could have put that vote on Diss. Yeah, they all suspected me as well but who else? And notice that Diss was against them all...right up until they actually went out and he changed his opinion. Take a look at how he often he vote Squiggs96 and yet he didn't vote for him on the lynch? He knew he was town, he knew it would be blood on his hand at that point. He says he changes his mind and looks good.

GGG wasn't a fan of you. This is his last post before his death post:

Originally Posted by GGG

Ok, I will see you guys in the morning feel free to lynch without me.

On your logic I don't see why oling/Timbo can't be scum if Squiggs flips town

But I already know you have a whole thing about how GGG was against Diss too. He mentioned you though. As did Squiggs, as did Pux, as did Starseed. So you both have 4 dead townies mentioning you ALOT.

There's also this from GGG. Pointing out something that's similar to the HG15 vote thing:

Originally Posted by GGG

Oling,
At the start of today you were dead set on lynching starseed. You even death pacted yourself to do it. You started off the day with a full reverse on squiggs and now after I get on him for answering about the eternals you drop the whole Mason thing and get back on the lynch squiggs bandwagon.
To me it appears that the lynch me lynch tarseed thing was a bluff and you got on a new wagon as soon as you could.

I agree completely. That's why I said I thought he was Godfather. I wasn't lying. And then he saved me. I'm town, why would he save town? He may be playing super high level but when Diss changed his vote to Hockeyguy15 and was willing to kill him I didn't think he was mafia. Unless he had the Governor ability from the Guardians and that's why he was on. If I would have showed up and voted HG15, he uses it and we go in with a non-lynch. If i don't show up he could have just changed his vote if you guys didn't. So I think he had his bases covered, but you are the one suggestion he is telling the truth about unlynchable which makes me believe he wasn't working with HG15.

Did HG save or did he distract? I'm leaning towards the second one. He saw that I posted close to the deadline. He knows I can either use a power or use my vote. Then I have the spotlight on me. Which guess what? Worked to make you suspect me. So it's not so far fetched to think he did it to try to get me lynched for whatever I was going to do. I'm not convinced HG took the vote off you out of the kindness of his heart. And again, I have to point out, I didn't kill you, I didn't harm you in any way. I pushed the game to extra time. People weren't around Friday, the vote was pretty much done by noon, there was no real conversation that night. I voted to tie so we had more time to talk.

When did Diss vote girlysports, when did he get off? That's been my argument against him.

He voted GirlySports right after Timbo, HG15 and you did:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...40041&page=182

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Vote: girlysports
I still think out of my most suspicious players she tops my list. I am also weary of Squiggs, and Rathji. I still think eliminating a night is more beneficial to scum than to the town. There is no benefit to skipping the day as we saw but eliminating all town night actions? Sounds scummy to me. Not entirely sure though so I will go with GS again.

He got off after the Princess reveal. Looks to be the first one. Squiggs, HG15 and Timbo did the same shortly afterwards:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Uggg. So if we believe you that would give the scum two night kills in a row? Jesus...
Unvote

He also voted GirlySports when we were trying to lynch GGG for the second time:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think it makes sense what HG15 and GGG are saying. We can't afford a miss tonight at all. I have been suspicious of GS for a while now and if she flips scum it will make me believe more that GGG is being truthful when he claims he is town.

Vote:girlysports

Because Wood said that we needed to kill Girlysports, Aeneas and Dissentwoner. They had to separate themselves. The biggest reason you think he is town is because the actions of 2 mafia members in a super blatant move that seems super planned. If we did lynch him, they claim they were happy to lynch him, if he survives and they die, it's obvious they were against him.

Biggest? No. Part of it? Yes. He also had declined the invitations, of which you also did. The thing that stands out is him trying to tell us to get off of GGG when we were all blood lusting after him. Like posted earlier, he put the vote on Girly. He also had this:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I voted GS for obvious reasons, she has always been suspected and her posts seem scummy to me. Funny how I vote for her and then others try to tie us together. I am starting to get tired of some of the ridiculous kneejerk reactions to things. GGG said he could not be lynched, described his power, we tried, he wasn't lynched. We have hit exactly zero mafia so far...zero!!! So now we waste another lynch on a guy we already know probably can't be lynched?? We have to start getting scum guys. Leaving GGG until later is not going to lose us the game but trying to lynch him again if he can't be will hurt us hard.

So he comes out with this, trying to take the spotlight off GGG and stop the town from wasting that second lynch and go onto Girly. Why? If he's scum, why? Girly and Aeneas were pretty tied together at that point so why would he point us in the direction of both of them? That makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Drury, if you go back to my previous post for the actual vote count, at one point the vote count was 6 for diss and 1 for girlysports. The hammer only required 7. So why did they get so impatient? They weren't in risk of dieing. So why be so blatant about trying to kill Diss, especially when Aeneas could have hammered at one point?

Why did HG15 stop Diss' lynch?

Originally Posted by Rathji

I did not want to hammer him without allowing people time to discuss it. This has been a pretty standard course of action for most of this game, and HG15 specifically asked for the hammer not to be dropped.

I am sold on lynching him, but there is no rush

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Yeah, I was warning people we were close to the lynch because we needed to give Diss time to post. Diss' death posts didn't really sway my opinion though.

The mafia had played well up until that point, you suspected them all, but never had they really been close to the lynch. So it wasn't noobie mistake, it was a calculated move to distance themselves and it's worked. Everyone called Diss confirmed town, including me who asked the town to kill me instead of him if it came to it when we were tied 4-4. But he also has 2 super powerful abilities to ruin the mafia's day and they let him live until now? Why?

But they aren't his powers, they are powers he can give others. So it's a little different. There's also only been 4 kills since he revealed the powers. We missed a night, we had no kill another night. So he has escaped 4 potential nights to die. Wood pointed us towards two scum and was our confirmed town and pretty much our leader. That scum kill makes sense, take away the sure thing so we all suspect each other again. GGG had the personal power of lynch-proof, that's a threat to the mafia since if they had the bigger numbers, they couldn't vote him out. And he was also very outspoken. Rathji, if the scum believed his nightskipping wasn't a one shot, he was a bigger threat too. Skipping a night means skipping their ability to kill. Puxlut had the phantom vote and a confirmed townie when Starseed flipped Mason. I think she went for the sheer reason she was a confirmed town so get her out so we all suspect each other again. Diss has almost always been in question. He's someone we suspect. He has powers to give to others. Is he a bigger target then people who were confirmed town or had powers that were going to directly affect the scum chances of winning like GGG's personal lynch-proof and Rathji's possible 2nd night skip?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well that escalated quickly. I'll catch up in the morning.

How do I take myself off invisible mode?

Top horizontal toolbar has a "User CP" on the left hand side. Click that.

You'll get a page with a vertical toolbar that will have an "Edit Options" link. Click that.

First box is invisible mode. When the box is clicked you are invisible. When the box isn't clicked, you aren't.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Did HG save or did he distract? I'm leaning towards the second one. He saw that I posted close to the deadline. He knows I can either use a power or use my vote. Then I have the spotlight on me. Which guess what? Worked to make you suspect me. So it's not so far fetched to think he did it to try to get me lynched for whatever I was going to do. I'm not convinced HG took the vote off you out of the kindness of his heart. And again, I have to point out, I didn't kill you, I didn't harm you in any way. I pushed the game to extra time. People weren't around Friday, the vote was pretty much done by noon, there was no real conversation that night. I voted to tie so we had more time to talk.

I did say this before. But that only really makes sense if he is working with Dissentowner in my opinion. If he wasn't, he just stays put and I die and it's Diss who looks the worst. But if I die and they are working together and they are afraid of that mystery vote, they don't want Diss to get lynched tomorrow so, yes, I could see why Hockeyguy15 would flip to me if he was working with Diss and both are mafia. But also Diss was pretty quick to turn on him, maybe they realized that one of them has a chance of dieing today and they need to distance themselves again like before.

Originally Posted by Drury

He also voted GirlySports when we were trying to lynch GGG for the second time:

What was the scenario around that? Did he actually think he could lynch her or was this "hey look everyone I tried voting for Girlysports when you were all after GGG" mafia do vote, even kill, each other. Being the only vote, I don't know if he was, on a mafia buddy when the town is bloodthirsty on someone else is the best time to make it look like you are against each other.

Originally Posted by Drury

So he comes out with this, trying to take the spotlight off GGG and stop the town from wasting that second lynch and go onto Girly. Why? If he's scum, why? Girly and Aeneas were pretty tied together at that point so why would he point us in the direction of both of them? That makes no sense to me.

Why were they tied together at that point, outside of being unrevealed which Diss was as well?

Originally Posted by Drury

Why did HG15 stop Diss' lynch?

That is a good question and it goes back to them possibly working together. Hockeyguy15 takes the opposite approach of his 2 buddies while they all vote for him.

Originally Posted by Drury

GGG had the personal power of lynch-proof, that's a threat to the mafia since if they had the bigger numbers, they couldn't vote him out. And he was also very outspoken.

If they have the bigger numbers they could vote out someone else or end the day and kill him at night. I don't see his power as risk.

Originally Posted by Drury

Rathji, if the scum believed his nightskipping wasn't a one shot, he was a bigger threat too. Skipping a night means skipping their ability to kill.

Okay, up until today I was unaware that people had I guess multi-shot abilities. So fine.

Originally Posted by Drury

Puxlut had the phantom vote and a confirmed townie when Starseed flipped Mason. I think she went for the sheer reason she was a confirmed town so get her out so we all suspect each other again.

Yes! I've said this. I never took issue with why Puxlut died. It was Diss who had to come up with the excuse that she died because of my investigation power. That's why I am so determined for him. He gets caught visiting her and immediately 'lies' about my power to make me look like I did it when my power doesn't work the way he keeps trying to say it does.

Originally Posted by Drury

Diss has almost always been in question. He's someone we suspect. He has powers to give to others. Is he a bigger target then people who were confirmed town or had powers that were going to directly affect the scum chances of winning like GGG's personal lynch-proof and Rathji's possible 2nd night skip?

I disagree that Diss had always been in question, especially with the people left:

Originally Posted by Timbo

I will fix this list for you.

Town 100%
GGG
Diss he used his Doc on you
Timbo I used my Doc on you( I ID'ed two of the Scum in my post of opposing powers)
There was no night kill because YOU were the target. How does it feel to have your ass saved? Feels good right?

I think Diss is my best suspect by far. I hope we lynch him and win. In the case we don't, then I can use my investigation powers and track you or hockeyguy15 and pretty much confirm which one is working with him (I'm working with Timbo is town, I didn't see that Timbo/Diss connection that Starseed said). I know you don't like me "bouncing" but if you put yourself in my shoes you should be able to see how completely ruling out Timbo bucketing me and the possibility of getting my investigation results seems a bit shady but I also haven't trusted hockeyguy15 completely this day either.

In the case that I die, it's you, Timbo, hockeyguy15 and at least the game is put into Timbo's hands.

I don't think Diss is lynchproof.

[dissentowner]

Funny how Oling tries to convince Drury he is town and when Drury does not bite he accuses him of being scum, then tries to convince him again, it doesn't work so he gets frustrated and back to him being scum we go. There is no way you are town Oling. There is no way if you were unsure about HG15 you would risk keeping your vote on me and giving the scum a night kill with no lynch for us. I turned down Guardian invites before but I felt I had to take this one and I only would have taken it if it was one of two things, lynchproof or a kill shot. You know it isn't a kill shot because you or HG15 would be dead right now. No town member would be doing what you are doing when there is another option on the board. We lynch HG15, he flips scum and the town puts itself in a winning position. We stay as is and no lynch happens and the scum get a night kill and the town is screwed. You are not changing your vote because HG15 is your partner. You don't think we don't remember your post about you possibly having a partner come in at the last minute to help you out? That is exactly what happened.