10-22-2014, 04:47 PM
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A Fiddler Crab
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
People like this can always find weapons if they want them. This guy clearly had a semi automatic weapon and gun laws aside, was able to kill with it.
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I haven't read anything that says semi-automatic weapon. Everything I've read says 'rifle'.
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10-22-2014, 04:47 PM
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#602
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Seriously, who gives a rats ass about your gun laws compared to ours? This is a tragedy and not a political agenda. We need to think about the fallen and make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Soldiers that are at home shouldn't be getting killed by extremist, we shouldn't be having this conversation about gun rights/laws and keep the families that have been affected on our collective minds.
There are plenty of dumb Americans, as well as dumb Canadians, let them be stupid on their own and don't give them the time of day.
God Bless Canada!
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10-22-2014, 04:48 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
Could you post a link? I can't find it.
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I can't see it online.
I'm watching on cbc news channel 800 on telus if that helps
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10-22-2014, 04:48 PM
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#604
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
The irony is that what happened today is practically the best case scenario. Adding a bunch of Rambo wannabe civilians to the mix would have made no difference at best or resulted in far greater casualties at worst.
You can't stop a shooting out of the blue. Just can't be done. So the best case, after Cpl. Cirillo was shot, was that someone shoots the shooter. Which is what ultimately happened. Worst case, I'm sure we all know what a bunch of panicky people shooting wildly can do. Not to mention the associated problems of a massive rise in gun violence day to day.
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While true, people also must realize that we are talking about the capital. The amount of 'armed guards' is significantly higher there than it will be in the suburbs. Having properly trained security forces almost right there will have made a huge difference in how quickly this was over.
It would have been a completely different situation if this happened anywhere besides Parliment Hill. We have seen that this year already in Moncton.
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10-22-2014, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PIMking
There are plenty of dumb Americans, as well as dumb Canadians, let them be stupid on their own and don't give them the time of day.
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Your point is well taken, but keep in mind - ignoring these "dumb" people does not make safety better. In fact it probably makes it worse.
Just like cancer, you need to detect these people early - before its too late.
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10-22-2014, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scottish_flame
Cbc news also have a video of him entering his car
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Yup they do. I have been watching their live feed. In one of the frames you can see the scarf.
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10-22-2014, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
I wouldn't give any of these pro gun lobbyist morons in the USA any time....most logical Americans don't.
People like this can always find weapons if they want them. This guy clearly had a semi automatic weapon and gun laws aside, was able to kill with it.
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No he didn't. It was a double barrel shot gun.
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10-22-2014, 04:51 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
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CBC is reporting that Stephen Harper will speak this evening.
That being said, today has been a very sad and tragic day. I feel nothing but sympathy for the fallen soldier's family, and nothing but gratitude for the first responders in this city that did a wonderful job today. Despite what some media outsets say, my feeling is that Ottawans do not feel terrorized, but rather they feel sadness, anger, sorrow and gratitude. The impact of what happened today has been felt very far, and I feel it could be a defining moment for our country.
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10-22-2014, 04:52 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
No he didn't. It was a double barrel shot gun.
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Has that actually been confirmed?
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10-22-2014, 04:52 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Azure
While true, people also must realize that we are talking about the capital. The amount of 'armed guards' is significantly higher there than it will be in the suburbs. Having properly trained security forces almost right there will have made a huge difference in how quickly this was over.
It would have been a completely different situation if this happened anywhere besides Parliment Hill. We have seen that this year already in Moncton.
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Yup. And one of the things that is being understated today is how calm and rational the RCMP and Ottawa Police were. They were calm all the way through, and help keep the larger situation calm.
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10-22-2014, 04:53 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by zukes
Anyone hear when Harper is going to speak?
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5:00 PM MDT I believe.
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Originally Posted by Icon
In Canada, Victoria Cross.
Being knighted would require the Queen... so not sure if that falls under "in Canada". Also knighthood doesnt always coincide with "bravery".
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It's official Canadian policy that the Queen not give British Honours to Canadians and the Canada Honours system does not include knighthood so knighthood is generally out of the question for Canadians.
Last edited by cal_guy; 10-22-2014 at 04:58 PM.
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10-22-2014, 04:53 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Originally Posted by Azure
Has that actually been confirmed?
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Looks like it in the picture of him that has been released
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10-22-2014, 04:55 PM
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Had an idea!
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John Ivison @IvisonJ 12m12 minutes ago
Conservative MPs back under lockdown. Threat environment allegedly not safe.
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10-22-2014, 04:56 PM
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A Fiddler Crab
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by PIMking
Seriously, who gives a rats ass about your gun laws compared to ours? This is a tragedy and not a political agenda. We need to think about the fallen and make sure that this doesn't happen again.
Soldiers that are at home shouldn't be getting killed by extremist, we shouldn't be having this conversation about gun rights/laws and keep the families that have been affected on our collective minds.
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One of the best ways to make sure that tragedies involving firearms don't happen again is to restrict access to firearms by strengthening gun laws. While you're right that gun laws in America have absolutely no bearing on what happened in Ottawa, it's totally reasonable to ask the question "in light of these events, should weapons restrictions in Canada be increased."
I mean, here was an individual who was under police scrutiny, had a criminal record, and had their passport revoked, yet they were able to acquire a weapon from somewhere. It's totally, totally appropriate to ask if this was a failure of our weapons laws and if they should be strengthened.
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10-22-2014, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
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Originally Posted by driveway
One of the best ways to make sure that tragedies involving firearms don't happen again is to restrict access to firearms by strengthening gun laws. While you're right that gun laws in America have absolutely no bearing on what happened in Ottawa, it's totally reasonable to ask the question "in light of these events, should weapons restrictions in Canada be increased."
I mean, here was an individual who was under police scrutiny, had a criminal record, and had their passport revoked, yet they were able to acquire a weapon from somewhere. It's totally, totally appropriate to ask if this was a failure of our weapons laws and if they should be strengthened.
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if you want to argue about gun laws start your own thread.
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10-22-2014, 04:59 PM
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Norm!
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Sure once the investigators determine where the gun came from and how it was acquired. then we can have that discussion on gun control.
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10-22-2014, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Has that actually been confirmed?
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Not by the police yet.
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10-22-2014, 05:00 PM
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CBC reporting that lockdown is back on in some areas of downtown and the situation is "evolving".
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10-22-2014, 05:00 PM
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once again....nm....
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10-22-2014, 05:00 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Yup. And one of the things that is being understated today is how calm and rational the RCMP and Ottawa Police were. They were calm all the way through, and help keep the larger situation calm.
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Not only today, but in Moncton as well. You absolutely see how calm and professional they are in handling the situation. Even the quick response teams and the men and women directly involved in the shootings. Just amazing professionalism all around.
I know cops get a bad name all too often, but whoever is training these guys is doing a bang up job, and the guys/gals executing the orders on the other end make me proud.
Damn proud to be a Canadian.
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