Uniformed Soldier Shot at War Memorial in Ottawa-R.I.P. Cpl. Cirillo

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I've already seen some American jackasses mocking Canada's gun laws for not preventing this. From all accounts the shooter had a shotgun, not a semi-automatic rifle. Who knows how much worse today would have been had the shooter been able to get easy access to more powerful hardware

The ignorance of the USA and their gunlaws is worthy of (and has been subject of far too many) other discussions on its own.

Frankly, I'm saddened by today's events, but know undoubtedly it could have been far, far worse had their been easier access to heavier weapons.

I hope for their sake at some point those Americans mocking the Canadian gun laws understand that.

[missdpuck]

RIP good soldier.

What is the highest award for bravery in Canada? Is it the Victoria Cross, or being knighted?

Whatever it is, one for Vickers and one for Cirillo. please.

[chemgear]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21217602/

Federal sources have identified the suspected shooter as Michael Zehef-Bibeau, a man in his early 30s who was known to Canadian authorities.

Sources told The Globe and Mail that he was recently designated a “high-risk traveller” by the Canadian government and that his passport had been seized – the same circumstances surrounding the case of Martin Rouleau-Couture, the Quebecker who was shot Monday after running down two Canadian Forces soldiers with his car.

[FlamesAddiction]

I have a question, and not that it is important or means anything, but is it usual that reservists have these types of jobs? I am just curious.

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Originally Posted by keenan87

Are they still looking for the suspects or did they catch them all?

Hasn't been (and doubt it will be) officially announced. (And the conspiracy theorist... no that's the wrong thing... government-secrecy-theorist in me says it will never be truly revealed)

They're in a tough spot either way if they think there are additional shooters.

- say there are, have the area paranoid / etc for a while
- say there aren't, have another event in the near future
- say they don't know, look incompotent

Going to be critics in any scenario unless they can sort out a timeline that shows there was just the 1.

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a question, and not that it is important or means anything, but is it usual that reservists have these types of jobs? I am just curious.

Yes, to my understanding it is very common.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a question, and not that it is important or means anything, but is it usual that reservists have these types of jobs? I am just curious.

It is not unusual.


The Guards are all reservists.


These types of taskings are easy do with a "put together" unit or sub-unit.

I suspect he would have been on a Class B or Class C contract (two types of short term/long term contracts for the Reserves).

[Riles]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a question, and not that it is important or means anything, but is it usual that reservists have these types of jobs? I am just curious.

According to a couple of articles I've read, they're volunteers. Reservists are asked if they'd like to do it and sign up for the honour and duty.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by chemgear

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21217602/

Federal sources have identified the suspected shooter as Michael Zehef-Bibeau, a man in his early 30s who was known to Canadian authorities.

Sources told The Globe and Mail that he was recently designated a “high-risk traveller” by the Canadian government and that his passport had been seized – the same circumstances surrounding the case of Martin Rouleau-Couture, the Quebecker who was shot Monday after running down two Canadian Forces soldiers with his car.

Jesus. So basically park an officer on every one of the 90 people or at least the ones they pulled the passports from. In my mind it's almost better to let them leave the country and then, if they're shown to be fighting abroad, invalidate their passport so they can't get home.

[combustiblefuel]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reu...g--source.html

Canadian police are investigating a man named as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau as a possible suspect in the shootings around parliament, a source familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Two U.S. officials said that U.S. agencies have been advised that the shooter was a Canadian convert to Islam. One of the officials said that the man was from Quebec

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Originally Posted by missdpuck

RIP good soldier.

What is the highest award for bravery in Canada? Is it the Victoria Cross, or being knighted?

Whatever it is, one for Vickers and one for Cirillo. please.

In Canada, Victoria Cross.

Being knighted would require the Queen... so not sure if that falls under "in Canada". Also knighthood doesnt always coincide with "bravery".

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I've already seen some American jackasses mocking Canada's gun laws for not preventing this. From all accounts the shooter had a shotgun, not a semi-automatic rifle. Who knows how much worse today would have been had the shooter been able to get easy access to more powerful hardware

The irony is that what happened today is practically the best case scenario. Adding a bunch of Rambo wannabe civilians to the mix would have made no difference at best or resulted in far greater casualties at worst.

You can't stop a shooting out of the blue. Just can't be done. So the best case, after Cpl. Cirillo was shot, was that someone shoots the shooter. Which is what ultimately happened. Worst case, I'm sure we all know what a bunch of panicky people shooting wildly can do. Not to mention the associated problems of a massive rise in gun violence day to day.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

RIP good soldier.

What is the highest award for bravery in Canada? Is it the Victoria Cross, or being knighted?

Whatever it is, one for Vickers and one for Cirillo. please.

Look, I get that people's emotions are running high now, but this is going too far. No Canadian has received the VC since WWII. Cirillo, from all accounts I've read, seems to have been a model citizen, but his tragic murder is not VC-worthy.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have a question, and not that it is important or means anything, but is it usual that reservists have these types of jobs? I am just curious.

Yes. The National Sentry Program employs Reservists from Apr-Nov each year from 2014-2020.

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Originally Posted by nik-

In my mind it's almost better to let them leave the country and then, if they're shown to be fighting abroad, invalidate their passport so they can't get home.

Does revoking their passport mean they aren't allowed to leave Canada?

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Icon

In Canada, Victoria Cross.

Being knighted would require the Queen... so not sure if that falls under "in Canada". Also knighthood doesnt always coincide with "bravery".

Since Vickers isn't military he wouldn't be able to be given Victoria cross I believe. The one that would most likely be available to him would be Order of Merit of the Police Forces, since he was RCMP for 29 years.

[Ozy_Flame]

I wish the shooter wasn't killed, he probably got what he wanted (dying in a blaze of self-delusional glory).

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It is not unusual.


The Guards are all reservists.


These types of taskings are easy do with a "put together" unit or sub-unit.

I suspect he would have been on a Class B or Class C contract (two types of short term/long term contracts for the Reserves).

They are Cl B full-time for 3-4 weeks each. The Sentries rotate from Units across Canada.

Calgary Higlanders did it in August.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Icon

Does revoking their passport mean they aren't allowed to leave Canada?

Absolutely.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by chemgear

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle21217602/

Federal sources have identified the suspected shooter as Michael Zehef-Bibeau, a man in his early 30s who was known to Canadian authorities.

Sources told The Globe and Mail that he was recently designated a “high-risk traveller” by the Canadian government and that his passport had been seized – the same circumstances surrounding the case of Martin Rouleau-Couture, the Quebecker who was shot Monday after running down two Canadian Forces soldiers with his car.

Well that's two in a row, there certainly appears to be a loophole in the process. Not sure if the current law allows for that. It's an exposure that's being exploited.