CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by starseed

That was a bit of a slip from MOT2, I wanted the mafia to think that I had yet to use my given power, but I actually used it almost immediately. I was given a one-shot cop ability. I targeted wood, and received a message stating that wood appeared to be aligned with the light. We were debating how best to use that info. If we outed Wood as light, he would have been a target. For all we knew he could have been the cop/doctor. It became useless when wood used his vig power.

I was paranoid that I could have that one shot cop ability die with me if I waited, and thought if I used it immediately I could at least get that info to one other townie in case I died on night 2.

Am I remembering wrong, I thought MOT 2 said they had an investigating ability?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Good morning everyone I for one am very thankful to see another. Thanks to Palutena. A shrine is being built in my home over my hearth.

Hockyguy is correct I used my power on him last night. Stupid bucket.
That is one vote but I do not know where the other vote came from.

starseed I'm guessing that the vote was not from you or your partner or else you would have come forth with it as you did to HG15?

We only have one vote, so the second vote on you is unexplained.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Am I remembering wrong, I thought MOT 2 said they had an investigating ability?

Or was it like the royal "we"?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Am I remembering wrong, I thought MOT 2 said they had an investigating ability?

We can investigate who killed the previous night's dead. Only the faction, not the player.

[Hockeyguy15]

So you have the portal ability, mason ability, a one shot cop ability, plus an ability from the Guardians. MOT 2 has mason ability, and investigate the night kill thing.

Seems like MOT 2 got jipped a little.

[Hockeyguy15]

Oh and you have the extra vote thing between the 2 of you.

[starseed]

I meant that my guardians ability was the one-shot cop. The rest is not accurate either. Between the two of us, those abilities exist. Whether it is I that have it, MOT2, or if it is used in tandem.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why would you have not protected our doctor with that???

I was not fully convinced he was the doctor. Being that most people think wood is the most town, I thought it was better to have as many confirmed townies as possible.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have another question about this. How did you receive a power from a night action? Did you use your initial power to get it?

Pika received a PM that stated I had been given a one shot doctor item, that allowed me to protect a person from being night killed. I didn't use any power to gain it, and I have no idea why it showed up. I was hoping that by using it last night, I might get another power from night 3, which did not happen.

Originally Posted by GGG

Your first statement makes no sense. The original theory was that eternal votes would keep increasing. These votes appear to have nothing to do with cults.

Pika sees that now, as it was explained by starseed where the votes came from.

Originally Posted by GGG

My problem with this is that pika didn't protect our doctor for one more night and his power is now an enabler plus dome kind of mirror power. Who'd did you use your enabling power on last night and what is the name of your power?

As stated above, I wasn't convinced ECF was the doctor. I've also stated that I'll reveal that later. Pika wants to see if it had any effect first.

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I do not see Aeneas showing up in my screen shots of twilight but I am missing posts 18 -34.

I went into the twilight thread, first time.
I was pretty late though, and tried to read everything.

[Timbo]

This message bothers me.
The Eternals are close to defeat, The Guardians will prevail.
It is looking, in my eyes, that there is a secondary win condition. Im I off track here?
Guardians is there still something you are not telling us?
Is it possible that Pit runs the Eternals and Mr Hand runs the Guardians or vice versa?

Coincidental or not both Eternals were townies. GP_Matt and ECF
Guardians we still do not know.

Again this whole faction thing may just be flavour without a means to an end but I doubt it. So I always will consider it. And the way this game has given us some amazing curve balls I think it would be wrong not to give it some thought.

Lots of work ahead looking at the votes for starseed and then for me, to see if we can find any pattern with previous lynches.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

I am not going to reveal my ability, but I will say that it is a decent one shot ability. I want to wait until later in the game to use it.

Another lie. I get that that sometimes lying make sense but this just seems like a "don't lynch me, I have a good power" post.

He also decided to go after people who revealed their characters earlier, despite everyone having reassurance from Mazrim that there was no fear in revealing.

He was publicly calling GGG town while the MOT were putting him on their suspicion list.

He admitted to not considering mafia abilities when coming up with his plans, which is simply something starseed wouldn't do. He's too smart to forget that mafia have powers too.

Way too many inconsistencies with his posts.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Another lie. I get that that sometimes lying make sense but this just seems like a "don't lynch me, I have a good power" post.

He also decided to go after people who revealed their characters earlier, despite everyone having reassurance from Mazrim that there was no fear in revealing.

He was publicly calling GGG town while the MOT were putting him on their suspicion list.

He admitted to not considering mafia abilities when coming up with his plans, which is simply something starseed wouldn't do. He's too smart to forget that mafia have powers too.

Way too many inconsistencies with his posts.

It was a "sure hope the mafia don't night kill me because of my awesome night ability" post.

I knew the mafia had abilities, but I did not play the first game. I did not know they had several.

With redirects and role blocks and buckets, it confuses me? The only one that makes sense to me is Timbo's extra vote. But the second Timbo vote is the odd one. Wouldn't there have been 2 ghost votes every night?

I'm back at square one. I guess the only people I trust right now is Wood and Drury.

We are way down in numbers. If we don't snag a bad guy today, we may be in trouble.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

With redirects and role blocks and buckets, it confuses me? The only one that makes sense to me is Timbo's extra vote. But the second Timbo vote is the odd one. Wouldn't there have been 2 ghost votes every night?

I'm back at square one. I guess the only people I trust right now is Wood and Drury.

We are way down in numbers. If we don't snag a bad guy today, we may be in trouble.

If there are 5 mafia, then it is 10-5 now. Plus maybe an sk. I feel like the Timbo block could have virtually killed our chances of winning.

[Drury18]

MOT Recap - Day 3

POSTERS PRESENT (based on who commented):

Mazrim
MOT #1
MOT #2
GGG
Timbo
HockeyGuy15
Wood
Drury18
Squiggs96
Oiling
Puxlut
Rathji
mrkajz44
Dissent
formulate
Secret

TRANSCRIPT:

Mazrim - Portal is open. Stop focusing on stars next to people's names

MOT #1 - Is MOT #1 and starseed. Apologizes for mishandling this portal

MOT #1 - Says we don't know now if Timbo is mafia

GGG - Interesting turn of events

Timbo - Asks if that (being saved) actually just happened

Hockeyguy15 - Is speechless

Wood - Asks Drury18 if he knows Timbo is town

Drury18 - Timbo will live to see another day

Drury18 - Pretty damn certain that Timbo is town

Squiggs96 - Game keeps getting crazier

Hockeyguy15 - Timbo has memorable scum moments

MOT #1 - Questions whether Timbo can be town

GGG - Asks if this is the same as a no lynch. Calls it a waste. Sees better use using it on Day 1.

Oiling - Nice Job Drury

MOT #2 - Says he is MOT #2, knows that starseed is MOT #1. That's all he/she knows

MOT #1 - Asks if the Mafia gets 2 free kills now and we get no flip on Timbo

Drury18 - Asks starseed when we will get the info on the Delgar

Puxlut - Wow

MOT #1 - Says Delgar investigation will be done tonight

HockeyGuy15 - Asks MOT #2 if he only knows who MOT #1 is, not whether he is light/scum

Puxlut - Is stumped

Oiling - Asks if it was always written "Master #1 of Twilight" not MOT #1 and #2

Timbo - Says voting pattern might give us clues to scum

GGG - Were always called "Masters of Twilight" we abbreviated to MOT in thread

Rathji - That was unexpected

MOT #2 - Says he/she knows starseed and Wood to be 100% town

Timbo - Will not let us down

MOT #1 - Asks why Drury would use the save on Timbo. Asks if Drury is sure Timbo is town. Says it was a waste.

GGG - Asks how MOT #2 knows Wood is town. Asks for answer to be provided if it doesn't give away key information.

Drury18 - Asks how MOT #2 knows Wood is town

Puxlut - Asks how Twilight helps now

Squiggs - Asks who MOT #2 is

Timbo - Comments how the waste comment was a little harsh

Oiling - Says he wasn't in first two twilights, thought by the way it was in the threads, names would be written differently. Says that's easily verified.

Drury18 - Has already answered the Timbo question. Yes, very sure Timbo is town. His death at the deadline showed some true colours. Did what needed to be done.

MOT #1 - Says he has a strong hunch Timbo is scum. Confirmation bias was how he built his entire theory that Timbo is scum.

Rathji - Comments how this pretty much confirms Drury18 is town

Wood - Asks if he has been investigated. He knows he is town, but doesn't think anyone can say he's 100% at this point even if it's very likely.

mrkajz44 - Asks what purpose does this (portal) serve now that we know starseed is MOT #1

Puxlut - Says if Dr or Cop is present, we need to decide how they use their powers

MOT #2 - Will not tell us who they are

Oiling - Tells Puxlut we shouldn't decide

Drury18 - Believes that being the Goddless of Light might make them a mafia target. Doesn't want their death to be a waste.

mrkajz44 - Have to assume Drury18 is town. No way mafia has that power.

MOT#1 - Doesn't understand. Asks if Drury18 confirmed Timbo was town. Asks if it was just a guess. Says Drury18 overrode the town's ability to kill and gave mafia two free kills

MOT #2 - Says Wood was investigated

Dissent - Says he is here

Rathji - Says Drury should be safe as a powerless townie is a poor mafia target. Same with Wood

GGG - Asks Drury if there are any targets not in the thread

Formulate - Comments this thread is a 15 minute continuation of the CP thread with only MOT #2 hiding their identity. Unless "Secret" shows up again.

Hockeyguy15 - Asks Drury18 to give some info in case of a nightkill

Drury18 - Asks MOT#1 how they believe the mafia gets two kills. Says there was only one kill on Night 2, why the certainty of having two kills each night. Asks what knowledge they have about the number of kills.

Puxlut - Says that the doctor might want to protect Drury18

Timbo - Says time goes fast in the portal

mrkajz44 - Asks who would investigate Wood after the vig kill

MOT #1 - Says the mafia had two kills on Night 1 and both probably went after the doctor

GGG - Says Doc should protect one of the possible cops as not many are left

Wood - Says investigation on him seems like a waste but thanks for the town confirmation. Asks starseed how he knows the mafia gets two kills. Says Drury18's history the next day will be helpful. Whoever has targeted him may be mafia as he is town.

Rathji - Says the mafia get an extra day with no lynch so they get an extra kill or possibly 2.

Oiling - Says let the Dr pick who they want. Telling him/her who to pick only helps mafia

Drury18 - Says GGG is still top suspect. Puxlut is second suspect. Something's wrong with Puxlut and doesn't believe it's just first time player ignorance.

Puxlut - Asks if it was only a one time thing

Hockeyguy15 - Says 4 minutes left in portal

MOT #2 - Says Wood investigation was done very early

Wood - Assumes Drury18 is powerless now. Doesn't see him being a target. Same reason he is alive, powerless townies don't make good targets over townies with powers still.

MOT #1 - Doesn't know for sure there are 2 kills, believes it's a reasonable assumption

mrkajz44 - Asks if the MOT's have an opinion on the claim by GGG that he is unlynchable

Timbo - Says Rathji is probably right that powerless townies aren't great scum targets

mrkajz44 - Corrects himself to say he should probably ask his question to MOT #2

Drury18 - Says Squiggs and Aeneas need to talk more and not show up only when things are about to happen. Finds this behaviour questionable.

MOT #2 - Says they have no information on GGG

Secret - Says he investigated GGG and that he did nothing like he said. MOT #2 also having investigative powers cannot be true.

Dissent - Says Squiggs is terrible

mrkajz44 - Says he can see Squiggs viewing the CP thread, wonder where he is in the portal

Timbo - Asks for doc not to be used on him, he already got his save

MOT #1 - Thinks big mistake was made letting Timbo go

Dissent - Thinks GGG sounds bad

Puxlut - Asks why they are guilty

Formulate - Says Wood investigation could have been redirected, wouldn't look too much into that.

Hockeyguy15 - 1 minute left in portal

Squiggs96 - Here and reading the thread and trying to figure out night action

Wood - Squiggs is always around and has to be here. All he's asked is who MOT #2 is. Not being helpful.

END OF MESSAGES I HAVE. LAST MESSAGE NOTED WAS AT 10:25pm MST

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by starseed

It was a "sure hope the mafia don't night kill me because of my awesome night ability" post.

I knew the mafia had abilities, but I did not play the first game. I did not know they had several.

Sorry I'm confused, you were trying to get the mafia not NOT night kill you by saying you had a good night ability? Wouldn't saying you have a good night ability make you a target rather than saving you?

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by starseed

If there are 5 mafia, then it is 10-5 now. Plus maybe an sk. I feel like the Timbo block could have virtually killed our chances of winning.

How so?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by starseed

I feel like the Timbo block could have virtually killed our chances of winning.

You said in the portal your case about him being mafia was based on a confirmation bias. Would love to hear more about this.

Cause you know...I just jump in front of bullets and reveal pretty major powers because I woke up one morning, saw an opening in my day timer to do something and figured "What the hell, let's just do this thing".

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Sorry I'm confused, you were trying to get the mafia to NOT night kill you by saying you had a good night ability? Wouldn't saying you have a good night ability make you a target rather than saving you?

Had a double 'not' first one should have be 'to'.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Timbo

This message bothers me.
The Eternals are close to defeat, The Guardians will prevail.
It is looking, in my eyes, that there is a secondary win condition. Im I off track here?
Guardians is there still something you are not telling us?
Is it possible that Pit runs the Eternals and Mr Hand runs the Guardians or vice versa?

Coincidental or not both Eternals were townies. GP_Matt and ECF
Guardians we still do not know.

My win conditions have not changed, but that has me thinking, if the guardians prevail (get a certain number of members, perhaps?), does the 'originator' of the invites of that group win?

Would totally make sense why I was recruited right by the guardians right away with the power I was given, as I had indicated that I pretty much didnt take it because I missed the deadline due to external conditions.

One thought, if the Eternal recruiter and Guardian recruiter have separate win conditions, is there an existing mechanic in the mafia games which supports this type of situation? If there is, then I think we should assume that it is very likely given the message from the previous night. This also would explain why starseed or partner has the ability to determine what faction killed a player. I was initially confused by this as we didnt really have any clear indication of a second mafia faction, but this might explain that.

One more thing, as I explained previous, I have a similar (but not as useful) power to the dayvig kill. This means that I am a likely target for kill overnight. I suspect that the fact that the Dr was alive and revealed was likely the only thing that kept me alive last night. I think I need to use this power today or I will die tonight. I welcome suggestions from all on this topic.