CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am being completely truthful. Sorry about causing this chaos.

On the redirection thing it didn't say mine got redirected. It just returned a report with what ecf did.

Maybe the guardian powers don't work right either and just work randomly. Even confirmed with maz what he sent me was correct?

Still makes no sense. Assuming what you said is true, I find the logic in your tracking Puxlut very flawed (in fact the whole town is shocked). Add to that then having a person redirect actions that happened to Puxlut onto ECF even more implausible. No way a townie would do that knowing that ECF is a doctor and Puxlut being an unlikely target of anything.

My conclusion: the tracking of Puxlut and redirection of it onto ECF must have been known beforehand on the mafia board. Cause not even Nostradamus would be able to predict those two events happening together.

[Hockeyguy15]

So I know I said we should ignore the cults but they are a huge distraction.
GGG - claims to be unlynchable, did not get poisoned.
ECF - claims to be the doctor.
starseed - has a one shot power we don't know what.

Sorry starseed, this isn't a whole-hearted vote because it's pretty much all due to the fact you are in a cult and the other two in cults have made large claims. If anyone has a better idea or evidence of mafia or cult leader I can be convinced to change.

Vote: starseed

[Wood]

Even ignoring the cult angle, I can't get over the idea in my head that girly is mafia, and starseed has been right behind her a few times in the first couple days. I don't trust them. I'd prefer to Lynch girly, but starseed is in the group and we don't know what his gifted power is so he's a solid vote IMO

[starseed]

I am not going to reveal my ability, but I will say that it is a decent one shot ability. I want to wait until later in the game to use it.

I am not linked to Timbo in any way. If I die, you should not assume he is light.

The ECF save potentially could have happened, but why would it be far fetched to say that I think it is likely that Delgar took 2 bullets? Also, saying "likely" does not mean that I think it is a fact. It just means I think it is "likely".

My delgar theory blew up, and I know that shines the spotlight on me, but I had a gut feeling. The people who watched the last game had a terrible early record on picking out mafia. It is not always easy to pick up on patterns until you get a confirmed mafia kill. More thoughts later.

[Oling_Roachinen]

So GGG claims to have been able to track ECF through usage of a power given to him by the Guardians. However, he also says he aimed his target at Puxlut.

ECF claims to have been given a poison but also claimed to have been notified it didn't work.

GP_Matt was given a power to be unlynchable but we couldn't verify that.

Starseed is the only one who can, at this point, verify if the power he got has (or will) worked as intended. Right now I think all the powers are a sham and no one should be accepting offers into these groups at least until Starseed can verify that he was able to use his power as he intended.

For that reason I'm against a Starseed lynch as he can tell us something later (if he can't tell us right now) that could be useful. I'm keeping my vote on Formulate.

[Aeneas]

The idea of Puxlut's that there is no mafia...that is very interesting. No wonder everyone looks like they are town.

If this crazy idea comes to reality, then the time to cull the cults is now.

I would prefer it be GGG, but could reluctantly get behind Starseed. I do not have a gut feeling he is a bad guy, but am going to revisit his posts.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

GGG did you ask any questions before accepting the Guardian invite?

I asked if my win condition would change
i asked if i could talk to the person sending the message
I asked if my accepting would contribute to someone else's win condition.
I asked if the towns win condition is mutually exclusive to the senders

He said he could only answer that my win condition wouldn't change and that i couldn't communicate with the sender.

I think we should accept guardian invites but the powers might work properly

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we should accept guardian invites but the powers might work properly

I'm going to reiterate I'm against this. You just used a power that was targeted to someone else.

What if someone gets a night-kill that redirects, inexplicably, as well? Or a block that kills their target? Until Starseed can verify that his power worked correctly, I don't think we should be accepting invites.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

I asked if my win condition would change
i asked if i could talk to the person sending the message
I asked if my accepting would contribute to someone else's win condition.
I asked if the towns win condition is mutually exclusive to the senders

He said he could only answer that my win condition wouldn't change and that i couldn't communicate with the sender.

I think we should accept guardian invites but the powers might work properly

So we should blindly accept the invites, without knowing if it will cause us to lose the game? Our win condition is still kill all the mafia, but that doesn't mean the cults win condition is the same.

There is a reason they are giving out powers to join them, and there has been no indication that it's in our best interest to join them. It seems like they are just luring you in with the power so they can benefit somehow.

[Wood]

Is prefer to lynch the group members before we start joining

[Timbo]

I will not join any faction that will not provide full transparency. So everyone now knows my stance.

[dissentowner]

I don't know if it is because I went so hard after Matt when his posts made little sense and he flipped town or what but I actually believe GGG right now. As I have stated before, I don't believe the MOT are looking out for our best interests and because of that I have no interest in voting for GGG or GS as they are on their list. I also don't see a point in even casting a vote this early. That being said I think starseed is my main mafia suspicion right now as well.

[formulate]

I've reread a lot of GGG I'm finding it odd that he revealed, as a townie or as a mafia. I also need some more time to run through scenarios of lynch and don't lynch, trying to see if there is a mathematically better play. It would be very helpful to know where exactly the kills are coming from, and perhaps the twilight thread will be able to settle that for us.

As for right now, I've put a case together for GirlySports as a mafia member, and want to get it out there before getting too confused about the GGG situation.

First reason is that of any of the players in this game, GS is the most 'mafia-obsessed'. #214 and #263 are in support of voting without patterns, and quick lynches to keep the mafia guessing. #710 and #725 reiterate, and she is also against pre-death posts, and it gives mafia time to think and confuse. #1135 and #1138 uses 'not wanting to tell the mafia' about details from her Guardians invitation. #1148, 1151, 1158 are against posting suspicion lists because the mafia will know how to manipulate up.

Second reason is that she seems to be the most cult-obsessed. I've believed for a while that endless theories and speculation was a way for mafia to make noise and distract the town. #841, 846, 852, 914, 1148, 1201 are all creating discussion surrounding cults, and puts a pause on scum hunting.

3rd reason is the cult rejection and odd situation surrounding it. Makes a long posts on potential of cult invitations, then soon after is telling us she rejected one. Then hides certain information about the invite, when the point of rejecting the cults was to gain information. Either she made up the whole thing to curry favor as the first one to reject, or released details only when she thought it was to her own benefit.

4th reason is the voting. She had votes on Bizaro, GP Matt, and RatherDashing at one point or another. Not a great piece of evidence as lots of townies have voted for lots of other townies, but she does it in a stranger way. Was the hammer on RD even though a few had called to wait for a death post (though there were other supporters of the quicker hammer). Blames GP_Matt for not removing his vote. Then when the vote on GP_Matt got high, she unvoted saying she wanted to hear more info, then revoted. This, to me, looks like she's trying to cover her ass.

[Wood]

I believe GGG to an extent as well. The vagueness of these groups is frustrating

I see no issue in casting votes, we're not lynching anyone. Seeing how people react to pressure is one of our only ways to find mafia

[mrkajz44]

So with starseed popping up on the radar, I went back to look at all of his posting history:

-Starseed started the bizarro (known town) vote, but was quick to jump off too
-First person to bring up RD before the RD snowball
-Did seem sympathetic to Matt's (known town) claim and didn't want to lynch at first
-First to suggest Eternals was "darkness" and then really jumped on Matt
-Accepted the Guardian's offer shortly after and has been okay providing information about it, but not great
-After accepting Guardian's was the first to suggest to reject next offers
-Even though he is a Guardian, he asked GS and me what our offered powers were
-Calls himself the king of voting flip flops
-Consistently posts some analysis and then say "more later" or something to that effect
-Thanked Delgar for the supposed save of ECF
-Tends to vote against the grain, not linking himself to other patterns

All in all, it is a mixed bag, but there are enough mafia indicators (flip flop voting, tends to vote against the grain un-noticed, pushed hard on Matt for Eternals but is a Guardian, fishing for power information, always says will post later, thanking delgard for the save, and assuming delgar took two bullets) in there for me at this point to cast a vote.

Vote: Starseed

[formulate]

Starseed is on my radar as well because of the potential connection to GirlySports, but I'm more comfortable voting GS right now.

Vote: GirlySports

[Aeneas]

^
Think I just spent the last 45 minutes doing what you did.

Good summary.
I am looking forward to the twilight thing, because if they say mafia killed Devo, then we know there is mafia and the idea ofony the cults being the darkness can go away.

However, I still think they are dangerous. The idea of extra powers, especially an extra night kill for a mafia member, is too dangerous to ignore.

so this is a vote against a cult member, to even up the numbers in the cults, and possibly get a mafia member. Also, his flip moreso than anyone else so far, would be revealing.

VOTE: Starseed

[Aeneas]

my "^" was not for formulate's post but for the one above by mrkajz44.

[starseed]

I did notice that I say that I intend to followup, and perhaps dont. I just finished my last mid-term this morning, so I should have a lot more time.

Maybe one of the reasons that I have been having difficulty, is that I have been relying on a spreadsheet that documents voting. Maybe the mafia have avoided making a big voting trail. I just inputted day 2, however, I am think I am going to unwillingly crash for a bit.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

I asked if my win condition would change
i asked if i could talk to the person sending the message
I asked if my accepting would contribute to someone else's win condition.
I asked if the towns win condition is mutually exclusive to the senders

He said he could only answer that my win condition wouldn't change and that i couldn't communicate with the sender.

I think we should accept guardian invites but the powers might work properly

Originally Posted by GGG

I posted yesterday that I was joining if someone asked me after girly and mrkajz refused and posted more information.

Reason 1) we as a town are losing and needed powers and information
Reason 2) ECF was probably going to poison me anyway so i needed info to protect the town
Reason 3) from the message I recieved it seems clear that the guardians and eternals are competing with each other. While possible their win condition interferes with the town win condition my theory is that the guardian eternal win condition is that they survive and out recruit the other side.
Reason 4) my ability from the start of the game has been lynchproof. So my plan for the game was to just post what I thought and not worry about drawing suspicion. The problem with being lynchproof is that you don't post how you normally do where you are concerned with not looking like the mob.

My plan for my lynchproof power was to stay alive into the game then declare myself lynchproof at which time I could be proved a townie with a lynch or people would believe me. I did not consider having to avoid a night kill from our own side.

Not sure if I played it right or if it just added confusion.

I think I focused on the lynchproof stuff too much and glazed over this. If you think that reason 3 is the case, why are saying we should join? Right now there's nothing to really indicate that these groups are good. Powers have not worked as intended, there's 0 transparency and a bunch of confusion resulting from these groups. Right now I strongly think we should just reject any invite that comes our way until at least new information is given. The idea that they win by recruiting more people than the other is a good reason to just even up the groups and leave them be. Everyday we just get dragged into the same mess cause someone gets tempted with a power.