2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

forget it. Not changing minds around here.

There is only one mind that needs changing with respect to the conversation that you've been pushing.

Erixon made a mistake. Others will make the same mistake in the future, regardless of how Flames management behaves.

Your desire to paint management in a bad light is getting creepy.

[Robo]

Funny thing about erixon is he probably would have been a full time nhl'er on the flames a couple years ago haha anyways who cares about him now

[djsFlames]

I think it's cause Colby thinks the game at a pretty high level as well, and has probably the most insane hands on the team after Johnny. Doesn't surprise me that they're good together.

[MissTeeks]

Calgary Flames‏@NHLFlames33s33 seconds ago

"He was white as a ghost ... no sense spreading it around." - Hartley on Gaudreau missing practice w/ the flu. He should skate tomorrow.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Agreed. It never hurt 80's Flames. Those teams were a b***h to get on.

But those teams were a b**tch to get on because they were great and everyone knew they were hard to get on because you had to knock off someone that's better than you. You were looking to knock off Doug Gilmour...not Setaguchi or Byron or Jones or Colborne.

It's naturally a lot harder to accept when you get sent down by a team who will be fighting for last, and your play has been better than the guys who are staying up. To not make a team like the Flames must be pretty deflating.

The only reason the "over-ripen" strategy worked with prospects in Detroit is because the NHL team itself was great and there was an argument to keep the status quo. That's a lot harder to back up on a team that is fighting for last telling everyone that they are functioning under an egalitarian system.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the Colborne at center experiment is over

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
#Flames lines at practice:
Hudler-Monahan-Glencross;
Raymond-Backlund-Colborne;
Byron-Stajan-Setoguchi;
Bollig-Bouma-McGrattan

Jones and Granlund are extras

Looks like they could be trying Monahan as the first line centre.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Table 5

But those teams were a b**tch to get on because they were great and everyone knew they were hard to get on because you had to knock off someone that's better than you. You were looking to knock off Doug Gilmour...not Setaguchi or Byron or Jones or Colborne.

It's naturally a lot harder to accept when you get sent down by a team who will be fighting for last, and your play has been better than the guys who are staying up. To not make a team like the Flames must be pretty deflating.

The only reason the "over-ripen" strategy worked with prospects in Detroit is because the NHL team itself was great and there was an argument to keep the status quo. That's a lot harder to back up on a team that is fighting for last telling everyone that they are functioning under an egalitarian system.

In the 80's you weren't trying to knock off Gilmour. It was guys like Colin Patterson, Mark Hunter and Perry Berezan. Vets on both teams got established minutes and rookies had to beat out the fringe guys, which Fleury couldn't do at the start of the season either, and he turned out OK.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Looks like they could be trying Monahan as the first line centre.

Backlund actually did amazing once he took over first line centre (after being in the doghouse early in the season too). Maybe Monahan could have that kind of success too.

[MissTeeks]

Calgary Flames‏@NHLFlames30s30 seconds ago

"I'm feeling good. It's good to be back out there." - Granlund, who skated with the team this morning

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Backlund actually did amazing once he took over first line centre (after being in the doghouse early in the season too). Maybe Monahan could have that kind of success too.

Yeah, I don't know if he is ready for it but when Monahan is, he's a bigger body to play head to head with some of the big centres around the league.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

In the 80's you weren't trying to knock off Gilmour. It was guys like Colin Patterson, Mark Hunter and Perry Berezan. Vets on both teams got established minutes and rookies had to beat out the fringe guys, which Fleury couldn't do at the start of the season either, and he turned out OK.

Yup. Even guys like Roberts started in energy roles.

I see Seto and Jones as weak spots. But they will be bumped in favour of Colbourne and Granlund down the depth chart. Because they are being out played, but also because its good to have RW/C players for flexibility and key face-offs.

IMO Jones and Seto will be in the press box alot.

[Flash Walken]

Poor Sven, a 7 in a sea of 3s, now surrounded by 9s and 10s.

Went from the top prospect in the organization to a top 5 organization prospect in just over a year, and it has nothing to do with his effort.

Unfortunately, it's the comparison of an elite prospect to a good prospect. Elite prospects like Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett have an easier time establishing themselves because their ability is obvious. Sven has to work a lot harder to show the same things they were showing, and like a 'good' prospect, will benefit from playing at a slightler lower level.

Just because he was the organization's best prospect at one point doesn't mean he will be year to year. This year, he has been supplanted, and as Calgary continues to draft better (hopefully), year to year he's going to have a harder time and will have to work that much harder.

There is no spot for him on this team, if he wants one he has to make someone expendable, even on this basement club.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Poor Sven, a 7 in a sea of 3s, now surrounded by 9s and 10s.

Went from the top prospect in the organization to a top 5 organization prospect in just over a year, and it has nothing to do with his effort.

Unfortunately, it's the comparison of an elite prospect to a good prospect. Elite prospects like Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett have an easier time establishing themselves because their ability is obvious. Sven has to work a lot harder to show the same things they were showing, and like a 'good' prospect, will benefit from playing at a slightler lower level.

Just because he was the organization's best prospect at one point doesn't mean he will be year to year. This year, he has been supplanted, and as Calgary continues to draft better (hopefully), year to year he's going to have a harder time and will have to work that much harder.

There is no spot for him on this team, if he wants one he has to make someone expendable, even on this basement club.

Sucks for Sven, but that's a fantastic problem to have. A problem most of us have wished the organization would have had a long time ago.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the Colborne at center experiment is over

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
#Flames lines at practice:
Hudler-Monahan-Glencross;
Raymond-Backlund-Colborne;
Byron-Stajan-Setoguchi;
Bollig-Bouma-McGrattan

Jones and Granlund are extras

Is jones still a bit hurt? I know cp is not a fan, but I'll take him over Setoguchi on the Stajan line any day of the week.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is jones still a bit hurt? I know cp is not a fan, but I'll take him over Setoguchi on the Stajan line any day of the week.

No, he actually scored against Winnipeg Saturday night.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

No, he actually scored against Winnipeg Saturday night.

Yeah, in the first period. He was totally unnoticeable for the rest of that game, not sure if it was because he was hurt or not.

Knowing Jones, he is hurt again.

[IamNotKenKing]

Perspective:
One 2011 1st rounder drafted after Sven has played more NHL games. And it's 5 more. (J.T. Miller NYR)
If you add all 2011 2nd rounders, you get four more players.
Going to the end of the 2011 draft in total, you get another two.
For a total of 7 players drafted after Sven who've played more NHL games than him.
(Interestingly, 2/7 are Blackhawks - Saad and Shaw).

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Poor Sven, a 7 in a sea of 3s, now surrounded by 9s and 10s.

Went from the top prospect in the organization to a top 5 organization prospect in just over a year, and it has nothing to do with his effort.

Just because he was the organization's best prospect at one point doesn't mean he will be year to year. This year, he has been supplanted, and as Calgary continues to draft better (hopefully), year to year he's going to have a harder time and will have to work that much harder.
.

Sums up the situation perfectly .... I agree 100 percent.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like the Colborne at center experiment is over

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
#Flames lines at practice:
Hudler-Monahan-Glencross;
Raymond-Backlund-Colborne;
Byron-Stajan-Setoguchi;
Bollig-Bouma-McGrattan

Jones and Granlund are extras

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Who does Gaudreau replace if he's ready? Bollig?

Nope... Probably this or some variation thereof:

Hudler-Monahan-Glencross;
Gaudreau-Backlund-Colborne;
Byron-Stajan-Raymond;
Bollig-Bouma-McGrattan

Setoguchi sits and Raymond takes his spot on the RW and JG fills Raymonds spot on the LW.

[_Q_]

I think if all the forwards are healthy, a combination of Byron, Bolig, and Gaudreau sit out the first few games.

Setoguchi, Jones and Raymond will be given every opportunity to prove their worth.