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Squiggs and Baxter are on my radar for inactivity and not really posting anything of substance.

Town:Wood and Oling.

That's about all I have now. I had some names scribbled on a piece of paper, but that was from a couple of days ago and I can't remember why I had them pegged as either. Maybe I do need to make notes. I hate having to through and re-read everything 10 times.

[dissentowner]

I would make a list but I can't because I keep flip flopping around. Ok, I can but nothing is set in stone. Of course everybody's list is a gut feeling thing too.

Leaning toward town:
1. formulate - has consistantly posted like a townie to me.
2. Oling_Roachanen - Another guy who has posted very town like to me, constantly investigating and sniffing around
3. ECF - Obviously why although if he does not die in night 2 after that reveal that will add some serious doubt

Suspected Scum:
1. GP_Matt - I have explained why many times
2. HG15 - Comes out of nowhere and instantly starts posting he believes GP_Matt is a townie and he keeps reiterating it. I can't see any good reason why either.
3. squiggs - has been on my radar since the beginning.
4.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would make a list but I can't because I keep flip flopping around. Ok, I can but nothing is set in stone. Of course everybody's list is a gut feeling thing too.

Leaning toward town:
1. formulate - has consistantly posted like a townie to me.
2. Oling_Roachanen - Another guy who has posted very town like to me, constantly investigating and sniffing around
3. ECF - Obviously why although if he does not die in night 2 after that reveal that will add some serious doubt

Suspected Scum:
1. GP_Matt - I have explained why many times
2. HG15 - Comes out of nowhere and instantly starts posting he believes GP_Matt is a townie and he keeps reiterating it. I can't see any good reason why either.
3. squiggs - has been on my radar since the beginning.
4.

So I am suspisious because I say multiple times I think Matt is town, and you say multiple times you think he is scum and that doesn't make you suspisious?

Honestly you have pretty much been on Matt this whole time, and from past games that has usually pointed to a townsperson going hard after another townsperson. I tend to think you're town and are just focused mainly on one guy (remember last game when I did this to you?). It's a dangerous game you are playing, focusing on one person and pointing the finger at anyone who doesn't share your opinion.

[Kjesse]

So right now its tied between GP_Matt and hmmhmmcamo.

I think that would result in a showdown vote-off? I'm not sure though.

Anyway, I think hmmhmmcamo is the better vote at this stage, for the reasons I've posted before.

vote: hmmhmmcamo

[GGG]

So the following have not posted their lists

Girlysports -- has been active during others list posting
HmmHmm-- Has been active during list posting
Squiggs -- Hasn't posted yet
Baxter -- Hasn't posted yet
Drury18 -- Hasn't posted yet
ECF- hasn't posted yet

Oling I thing your concerns about WIFOM and Meta are valid but you deal with that as it comes. Its really the same as vote analysis but with more info.

Also I think I am convinced on the not lynch the doctor today. As we can do it tomorrow or the next day if the mafia doesn't. I still don't believe ECF to be the actual doctor and by believing him we encourage the mafia to claim as well but I do think it might be worth role-blocking / Bus Driving ECF's ability tonight still as his one shot kill is a huge advantage for both sides.

[East Coast Flame]

My scum list:

1. GP_Matt: Has been purposefully vague and caught in a couple contradictions. I have thought he was scum since day 1 and I haven't changed my mine.

2. GGG - has been all over the place and has accused about 2/3rds of the posters for something - feel like he is throwing crap against the wall to try and get something stick. Has made some odd voting choices - I didn't follow his logic on a few votes. Has voted against the grain a few times - maybe trying to avoid looking like a pile on? Wants as much information out there as possible (wants people to vote often, explain their votes, wants people to make lists etc). Could be good strategy, but also could be scum trying to gain as much info on everyones thought patterns - use it to redirect or protect from night activites.

3. hmmmmmmmmmccccccammmmmmmmmmmmm - Admitted that they were laying low as a strategy. Only appears when called out and then has been really defensive when people accused him.

People I am on the fence about:

1. Girlsports - I was convinced she was scum for a while, but her posting over the weekend swayed me. I do think she is still playing way too defensive though.
2. Puxlut - I don't know if I buy the confused "aww schucks" attitude. Definitely not enough to go on for now though.

Town list:
1. Oling - has thrown a lot out there, but I think their logic has always made sense to me and hasn't slipped up on contradicted themselves.
2. Dissentowner - crusade against GP_Matt has made sense.
3. Timbo - Has asked a lot of questions and the questions seem to be mostly pro-town

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Delgar

So right now its tied between GP_Matt and hmmhmmcamo.

I think that would result in a showdown vote-off? I'm not sure though.

Anyway, I think hmmhmmcamo is the better vote at this stage, for the reasons I've posted before.

vote: hmmhmmcamo

I will wait until hmmmmmmmmcamo posts their "death post" like they said they would and then could possibly move off Matt to him depending on what it says. I think they are both scum.

I can't believe you all are going to let GP_Matt skate bay again

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I will wait until hmmmmmmmmcamo posts their "death post" like they said they would and then could possibly move off Matt to him depending on what it says. I think they are both scum.

I can't believe you all are going to let GP_Matt skate bay again

In the "dead" forum last game I went 0/8 on my mafia guesses.... and then I chastized Rathji and suggested he do the opposite of his intentions... I'm half thinking I should do the same and go against my instincts because I was so wrong last time.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I will wait until hmmmmmmmmcamo posts their "death post" like they said they would and then could possibly move off Matt to him depending on what it says. I think they are both scum.

I can't believe you all are going to let GP_Matt skate bay again

You have both Matt and hmmhmmcamo on your potential mafia list. Is there are reason you would rather lynch Matt than camo, possibly something cult related you are worried about?

[mrkajz44]

My lists:

Mafia:
1) hmm - have my vote on him already. Always seems to have deflecting posts and doesn't add much substance
2) baxter - posts seem disjointed from the conversation going on. They almost seem pre-planned as if the mafia agreed what to say. Also, not very active and doesn't add much in the way of hunting
3) GGG / Girly - On the fence a bit with both, but both of their posting styles just seem off to me. GGG seemingly goes against the grain alot and Girly is usually defensive in her posts and doesn't add much in the way of hunting

Town:
1) Oiling - As I said before, the investigating by Oiling is probably the best of everyone, which leads me to believe town
2) No one else really - other than Oiling, I don't have a good hunch of who is town. Everyone else is in the grey for me, but if I had to pick two, it would be drury and timbo - just gut feelings here

[Drury18]

I was trying to get this up last night but at 2am I had to call it quits and finish the rest this morning.

Scum:

1) GirlySports - I've posted at length about this. The more she posts, the more suspicion gets raised. The invite seems coincidental. Information keeps coming out in bits and pieces, she deflects so many things with making it look like the person asking her something is trying to help the mafia. I also have concerns as to why starseed and mrkajz are trying to defend her while the two members of the other group are at each other's throats. We've got polar opposites in group (or invitee) behaviour.

2) Baxter Renegade - Looking through his posts, he's got ALOT of excuses for disappearing.

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Sorry I've been inactive... I've had a busy weekend. I'll catch up on the thread and cast my vote shortly.

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

My inactivity is due largely to me being fairly busy with work. My work has me traveling often, and I've been in dumpy Edmonton for the past little while. I only have my phone to post on.

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

My inactivity was due to me working in Edmonton. I couldn't check or post often, and when I could, I only had my phone available which makes it difficult to thoroughly read through all the posts... I jumped onto Bizaro due to the fact the town had started to make a decision on the lynch. I knew I couldn't participate much during the weekend and Monday during the day, so I wanted to be visible and be contributing somewhat.

I'm readily available this week and have posted a few thoughts with much more to come. I will be thoroughly reading the entire thread and posting how I feel about individuals later today.

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Sorry for my inactivity. Been away this weekend again and am traveling to Med Hat today as well. I've read the whole thread and have some good ideas of what's going on here. I will be available tonight to post all thoughts and during the week will have much more time to contribute as traveling will be done.

Heck he even said it himself inactivity doesn't help the townies. And did point out how inactivity doesn't tell affiliation:

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

There's no evidence to really go on the first few days so its a bit of a crap shoot... I don't think inactivity is very telling of affiliation, but like others have mentioned, inactivity won't help the light flush out the darkness, nor does it make for an interesting game. I was inactive due to my weekend, but will be much more active from here on out.

I'll vote Bizaro for now.

Vote: BIZARO86

...I guess that also brings the excuses for inactivity up to 5 now.

Again trying to "protect" inactives:

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

My vote for Bizaro may have been hasty due to me knowing I wasnt able to check and post often over the weekend. Lynching inactives does make sense, but perhaps not this early in the game. The fact he jumped on me late makes me feel my vote on him has some weight, but Im still leaning towards the non-voters for our first lynch.

...6 for those of you still counting excuses.

The majority of his posting are excuses that were preceded by comments that seem to protect inactivity and state that it shouldn't lean towards an affiliation. That's too much for me to ignore right now.

3. starseed - This is probably my least fact based suspicion and more "gut feeling" one. Something isn't right about starseed, mrkajz and Girlysports all sort of being on the same page here and starseed and mrkajz defending her. Especially when you laterally compare them to GP_Matt and ECF who have pretty much pointed the finger at the other one being scum. GP_Matt and ECF being suspicious of each other makes more sense than 3 people agreeing and defending, especially when one belongs to a group and the other two don't and all of it is really vague. I had starseed on my list of people I had some questions about early on, I still have questions about him.

Radar : GGG - I still don't fully trust you. I've said this from early on. Nothing has really changed from that post. Neither have you.



Town:

1. Wood - he's asking questions, he's pulling information from people, he's observant to the little things. I like it. He doesn't deflect questions, he has proper responses. At this point, he seems pretty transparent and that he's out there looking for scum and he's not going to give them any easy ways out.

2. Dissentower - He isn't flipping and flopping his votes, he's got his target and he's focused. He seems pretty consistent. And going after GP_Matt this hard, if he was scum this is a risky venture. I don't think he's that stupid having played the game before. Also when I look through his posts, I also see alot of questions. He's asking questions, he's gathering information. He started off the game on my iffy list but as it's gone on, I'm seeing contributions that make me think he's town and inactivity was due to his real life job and not because he was just observing and jumping in once the melee started.

3. Timbo - This should be more of a neutral, leaning towards town then 100% think he is. While looking through everyone's posts, none of his jump out as being obviously wrong of misdirected. Again, he's asked some meaningful questions, noted some minor details that might become handy in the bigger picture and he's answered accusations with proper answers and not deflections. I also looked at his "excuses" and so far, his excuse about Monday's has lined up for two weeks now. I'm willing to believe his actions last week and reasoning are in fact due to what he said they were.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Delgar

In the "dead" forum last game I went 0/8 on my mafia guesses.... and then I chastized Rathji and suggested he do the opposite of his intentions... I'm half thinking I should do the same and go against my instincts because I was so wrong last time.

There was something like two 0/8, two 1/8 and a 2/8. Maybe everyone should throw their vote on their top townie, Costanza style.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

You have both Matt and hmmhmmcamo on your potential mafia list. Is there are reason you would rather lynch Matt than camo, possibly something cult related you are worried about?

I am more convinced of GP_Matt being scum. Why would I be worried about lynching someone in my own cult? Wouldn't it be the opposite?

You really seem to be going to bat a lot for GP in the last few days hey?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I am more convinced of GP_Matt being scum. Why would I be worried about lynching someone in my own cult? Wouldn't it be the opposite?

You really seem to be going to bat a lot for GP in the last few days hey?

I'm asking is why do you see Matt as more of a threat than camo. Obviously if you think Matt is scum, and you know something about your cult that we should be worried about then you would want him gone.

You have a delayed night kill, it's logical to believe Matt has something similar. Do you think he used his power last night and that is the reason there was a second night kill?

[GirlySports]

grrrrrrr

My list is similar to ECF's

Scum
1. GP Matt. Very vague and inconsistent and the Eternals thing scares me.
2. hmmmmmmcamo. Hiding in the weeds, throws out accusations and is defensive only when called upon
3. GGG. Too many ultimatums and telling people what to do. Swaying the town into giving information, changes vote to the person who disagrees with him (the disagreement du jour)
Bonus: hockeyguy's protection of GP Matt is a concern as well

Townie:
1. ECF: I'm not thrilled about the reveal but I believe that he is the doctor
2. Formulate: Very concise summary and questioning to subtly get info and helps us all.
3. dissentowner: good line of questioning and attack of GP Matt
Bonus: Wood sees the same thing about GGG as I do.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Scum:

1) GirlySports - I've posted at length about this. The more she posts, the more suspicion gets raised. The invite seems coincidental. Information keeps coming out in bits and pieces, she deflects so many things with making it look like the person asking her something is trying to help the mafia. I also have concerns as to why starseed and mrkajz are trying to defend her while the two members of the other group are at each other's throats. We've got polar opposites in group (or invitee) behaviour.

I am definately not defending Girly. As you'll see in my scum post I am very suspicious of her. I just want to make sure mis-information is the reason she is on people's radar. As we saw with the Matt / RD situation, latching on to one thing (the wifi) caused us to go in the wrong direction. I just want to avoid that going forward.

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I have info to share that will help the town that I would like to post if that is the case. I'll be able to follow and hopefully post in the thread tomorrow so I'd suggest anyone anxious to get rid of me at this point is mafia because they know I'm town. The deadline isn't until Wednesday, so we have lots of time.

This post makes me nervous. It seems to me like a last ditch attempt at saving yourself. If you were town, wouldn't you just say it straight up? There a couple of reasons that you might not share your info, but I'd like to hear what you have to say first.

(but at least you're talking... unlike squiggs and Baxter)

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I am definately not defending Girly. As you'll see in my scum post I am very suspicious of her. I just want to make sure mis-information is the reason she is on people's radar. As we saw with the Matt / RD situation, latching on to one thing (the wifi) caused us to go in the wrong direction. I just want to avoid that going forward.

Really? Could have fooled me.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

First, I think Girly is getting hit a little too hard with her accusations. The invite from the Guardians instructed me not to speak of the content of this message for all will be revealed in time. I took that to mean the Guardians were simply requesting me to not say anything and there was nothing saying I absolutely could not talk in the thread before responding. Girly may have interpreted this differently. The language was vague, so different interpretation are possible. This makes me think Girly is being honest about the invite.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm asking is why do you see Matt as more of a threat than camo. Obviously if you think Matt is scum, and you know something about your cult that we should be worried about then you would want him gone.

You have a delayed night kill, it's logical to believe Matt has something similar. Do you think he used his power last night and that is the reason there was a second night kill?

I don't think it was Matt that caused the second night kill. I said earlier that my night kill doesn't work the night I play it - it happens the next night.

So if there is an extra kill tonight, I think that can be attributed to Matt.

[GGG]

I just want to point out that because of this list your 3 suspects we have now had a good page of discussion with focusing on the cults. This is good. I think we are back on track to generating useful discussion.