CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[starseed]

GS is lowering on my suspicion radar. I feel like with the doctor reveal, it might be time for some good old fashioned stone soup.

[Baxter Renegade]

We have to assume ECF will be night killed... We need to make a decision as to how he uses his poison power (If at all). At this point, Its all still largely speculation regarding who's who, and ECF killing someone at random has better chances of hurting town than getting lucky and killing scum. If it is to be used, I say we use it on someone who's flip will provide data we can use.

I think flipping an Eternal or Guardian at this point could provide value... That being said, avoiding flipping the members and focusing on folks that aren't specified members could give us the cult leaders, or the mafia (is there a mafia? Or are the "darkness" members these cults?)... I suppose these recruited members could be either town or mafia tho... Pretty hairy stuff.

I'm still slightly interested in the Timbo/Formulate posts at the exact same time during day 1 calling out Rathji for the exact same reasons.... While its not damning, it keeps popping up in my head when I comb for scummy behavior.

I'm still pouring through the pages as I skimmed a lot in order to catch up.

[GGG]

I think we need everyone to post there top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. Even if this doesn't net us scum it creates a huge trail to look back on as people flip. It should also get us out of the eternals/guardians stuff. I will compose mine and post them and would like others to follow suit.

If I tell you my top 3 scum reads and they're right... I get killed at night.

The most you will get out of me right now is my vote because of that post.
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[GGG]

Top 3 scum

East Coast flame
I do not buy the doctor claim.
He posted lots without saying anything
He has a night kill to use, this is high risk for us to allow to keep it. Might be better for the town to redirect both the kill and protection to someone else if we don't lynch.

Girlysports
The belief that a quick/surprise lynch favours town as early as post 263
The slowly evolving story of her decline of the guardians
Lack of scum hunting

Mmmmmmhmmm/ Baxter - absolutely no contribution, infrequent poster. Probably one scum amoung Squiggs, baxter, and hmmm. Any of these inactives would be great for a VIG kill.

Top 3 town

Timbo - constant scum hunting active poster
Oling - drawn out detailed posts, active scum hunter
Dhury18 - even though he suspects me logic has been sound, active poster

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

If I tell you my top 3 scum reads and they're right... I get killed at night.

The most you will get out of me right now is my vote because of that post.
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I disagree, if you don't post anything the mafia can kill you without a trace. Your reads die with you undisclosed. There becomes zero cost to killing you. This process also forces scum to post their town and scum lists which can be used later to track them down.

But they would be absolute BS claims.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we need everyone to post there top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. Even if this doesn't net us scum it creates a huge trail to look back on as people flip. It should also get us out of the eternals/guardians stuff. I will compose mine and post them and would like others to follow suit.

Might as well post everything on our bulletin board over there in big neon letters. We're not sneaking up on any scum this way. Puxlut just said it, if her list is correct, she's dead.

It is obvious that your vote is your top scum read. Mine is on Matt. Listing top 3 lists doesn't really say anything, anyone can lie. Voting is where it's at, put your money where you mouth is.

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Which brings me to the Eternals and last nights results. Why were there two kills? Two mafias or a mafia and a kill? Is there even a mafia? The entire game could be town against cults, although that would be farfetched.

If the Eternals have a kill, do Matt and ECF have the same power (poison).

If no, does Matt have a one-time kill shot and did he use it on devo or bizaro last night? Or does he have a one-time kill and is still holding on to it? Or does he have something else?

If yes (they have the same power), has Matt used his poison yet? If not, both he and ECF have unused poison at the moment. If yes, then who did he use it on and can we save them? If he used the poison on ECF we're pretty hooped.

I know that all sounded like a freaking computer science program code but those are the questions at the moment. I'm really scared of the power Matt has right now and would like either Matt to address these questions or we lynch him and learn from the cardflip.

But now that I think about it for more than 5 minutes (hasty decisions come frequently to us turtle Kings) I'm being selfish in trying to stay in the game and covering my butt. I win even if I die if the Light wins. So i should try to share as much as I can in order to help the good guys win.

This is so hard...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Might as well post everything on our bulletin board over there in big neon letters. We're not sneaking up on any scum this way. Puxlut just said it, if her list is correct, she's dead.

It is obvious that your vote is your top scum read. Mine is on Matt. Listing top 3 lists doesn't really say anything, anyone can lie. Voting is where it's at, put your money where you mouth is.

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Which brings me to the Eternals and last nights results. Why were there two kills? Two mafias or a mafia and a kill? Is there even a mafia? The entire game could be town against cults, although that would be farfetched.

If the Eternals have a kill, do Matt and ECF have the same power (poison).

If no, does Matt have a one-time kill shot and did he use it on devo or bizaro last night? Or does he have a one-time kill and is still holding on to it? Or does he have something else?

If yes (they have the same power), has Matt used his poison yet? If not, both he and ECF have unused poison at the moment. If yes, then who did he use it on and can we save them? If he used the poison on ECF we're pretty hooped.

I know that all sounded like a freaking computer science program code but those are the questions at the moment. I'm really scared of the power Matt has right now and would like either Matt to address these questions or we lynch him and learn from the cardflip.

You can't sneak up on scum. They know who you are, if you post a perfect scum list and they kill you, you just won the game for the team. We lynch someone on that list they turn up mob and we keep going. This would be a good thing. It also forces scum to make a list and decide if they want to put scum on it. The fact both you and puxlut disagree with the idea that the town sharing their thoughts is a bad idea makes me even more suspicious of you.

Yes your vote is your number one but that is very limiting in the amount of info we can gather. Think of it as 6 votes we can go back and analyse instead of just one.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

You can't sneak up on scum. They know who you are, if you post a perfect scum list and they kill you, you just won the game for the team. We lynch someone on that list they turn up mob and we keep going. This would be a good thing. It also forces scum to make a list and decide if they want to put scum on it. The fact both you and puxlut disagree with the idea that the town sharing their thoughts is a bad idea makes me even more suspicious of you.

Yes your vote is your number one but that is very limiting in the amount of info we can gather. Think of it as 6 votes we can go back and analyse instead of just one.

You've just told the mafia what not to do.

If we play it right we can definitely sneak up on scum. They know who we are but they don't know our actions (unless we tell them).

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Might as well post everything on our bulletin board over there in big neon letters. We're not sneaking up on any scum this way. Puxlut just said it, if her list is correct, she's dead.

It is obvious that your vote is your top scum read. Mine is on Matt. Listing top 3 lists doesn't really say anything, anyone can lie. Voting is where it's at, put your money where you mouth is.

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Which brings me to the Eternals and last nights results. Why were there two kills? Two mafias or a mafia and a kill? Is there even a mafia? The entire game could be town against cults, although that would be farfetched.

If the Eternals have a kill, do Matt and ECF have the same power (poison).

If no, does Matt have a one-time kill shot and did he use it on devo or bizaro last night? Or does he have a one-time kill and is still holding on to it? Or does he have something else?

If yes (they have the same power), has Matt used his poison yet? If not, both he and ECF have unused poison at the moment. If yes, then who did he use it on and can we save them? If he used the poison on ECF we're pretty hooped.

I know that all sounded like a freaking computer science program code but those are the questions at the moment. I'm really scared of the power Matt has right now and would like either Matt to address these questions or we lynch him and learn from the cardflip.

I was given something, but it was not a one shot kill and I have not used it yet.

[GGG]

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vote girlysports

The mafia isn't that stupid, hence the fact there is no reason to fear posting their suspicions. Yes night actions and powers shouldn't be disclosed as the mafia doesn't know them but you don't surprise the mob. You force them to talk, to make mistakes, to commit to votes and suspicions. Silence lets the mob hide.

Your staunch opposition to posting your top 3 people you believe are mob has put you past ECF.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we need everyone to post there top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. Even if this doesn't net us scum it creates a huge trail to look back on as people flip. It should also get us out of the eternals/guardians stuff. I will compose mine and post them and would like others to follow suit.

I like this idea as a way to ID patterns in the scum, but I don't think it is effective in catching the scum. Last game several of us made our guesses and the results were worse than random.

My people I trust list is in the works, but Formulate, Timbo and HG15 have made my notes of people that seem trustworthy.

For potential scum I am still concerned about hmmhmmcamo, EDF and GS.

I have considered putting Oling on either list but it warrants further consideration.

[Wood]

We cant possibly "surprise" the mafia members. Theyre here in the discussion with us. They know everything. How can we make actions as a town without the mafia knowing (outside of individual special powers)?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 19 alive, it takes 10 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 7 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (6): Drury18, Baxter Renegade, Delgar, Wood, formulate, Puxlut

Voted:
GP_Matt (7): GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Oling_Roachinen, squiggs96, dissentowner, hmmhmmcamo
hmmhmmcamo (6): Rathji, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, GP_Matt
GirlySports (1): GGG

The deadline is Wednesday, October 8th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[hmmhmmcamo]

One thing I’ve been wondering about the new groups...

They claim their win condition hasn’t changed and that if the town (or Mafia I presume) wins, they win. But could there also be a scenario where one of the new groups win and the town and Mafia both lose?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Wood

We cant possibly "surprise" the mafia members. Theyre here in the discussion with us. They know everything. How can we make actions as a town without the mafia knowing (outside of individual special powers)?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

I'm not saying it's easy but there are ways to surprise the mafia members or at least keep them guessing.

Scum know who we are but they don't know our actions. They don't know who our cop investigated, they don't know who our doctor saved (until we told them). Our job as townies is to read between the lines and look for patterns through all the confusion, not to make lists for all to see. That's the beauty of the game.

[mrkajz44]

Was off golfing today, but have now caught up. Two parter post coming up: one for the Guardians / one for general strategy.

First up, the Guardians.

Looks like this afternoon there was a lot more talk about the Guardians and the invites. I'll try my best to clear things up again, though I think we need to move off this and focus more on scummy behaviour, rather than focus on these groups.

First, I think Girly is getting hit a little too hard with her accusations. The invite from the Guardians instructed me not to speak of the content of this message for all will be revealed in time. I took that to mean the Guardians were simply requesting me to not say anything and there was nothing saying I absolutely could not talk in the thread before responding. Girly may have interpreted this differently. The language was vague, so different interpretation are possible. This makes me think Girly is being honest about the invite.

As for the power, I too was given the one-shot ability to save myself at night. I had to pick the night which I wanted to stay safe and then I was protected for that night only. The power of a one-shot kill is way better in my opinion, and since Girly and I have both stated we received the same one shot power, I think it's likely Matt has the same power as ECF. What I find most odd is that Starseed asked about the Guardian's power, but was already a member of the Guardians? Looks like he was fishing for info without providing any.

Everyone who has accepted or received an invite has confirmed winning conditions do not change. I think it is safe to assume that there is no cult(s) and the winning conditions have not changed with these factions. I really think we should move on from this.

I'd like to put the Guardian / Eternal talk to bed, or at least stop it being the focal point, as I think its making it much easier for Mafia to hide. That being said, I still wonder if another invite is out there and someone is staying quiet about it.

[mrkajz44]

Okay, part two - general strategy talk.

I looked back to where I voted against hmmm. Nothing hmmm has said since then has changed my mind on them. There is a decent amount of posts, but again not a lot of content. I'll need more at this point to change my mind. Always thought hmmm was scummy, and their deflecting posts confirm that for me at this time.

The more GGG posts, the more GGG seems weird. It really puts me on the fence. On the one hand, they are scum hunting and want a lot of information out in the open, which I definitely advocate. However, GGG always seems to be voting against the grain and is not in tune with the town. On my radar at this point.

Baxter's posts always seem out of context as if they are pre-planned and then don't fit the discussion that is currently going on. I think there is a general agreement that asking ECF to use their power on a specific person would be not be a good idea, but Baxter jumps in here and tries to get us talking about that again. I guess what I'm saying is Baxter's posts seem to be disjointed with normal conversations, which seem like they are pre-planned (something mafia would likely do).

For townies, I've put Oiling in my book as the most townie yet. He continues to apply pressure on those who seem funny, have posts that contradict, and have deflecting posts. This is great interrogating in my view, and makes me favour him as town.

That's is for now - would still like to see a few more votes fall with reasons. Six are still unvoted at this time - I think it's time to step up on Monday.