CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by devo22

also, what would a "random" vote look like? Who decides it and who starts it? I somehow get the feeling that a game of "eenie meenie miney moe" won't work that well in a mafia game

Someone uses a random number generator and a camera phone to video themself... post it to YouTube for all to see and determine if it's legit. easy peasy.

[mrkajz44]

Again, I'm going back to the bizarro pile-on as that occurance has the most information so far (at least in my opinion).

GP Matt had 3rd vote, Baxter had 5th. I looked through the thread since the vote and they still both have the vote on bizarro, but have not really contributed to the thread much since their vote.

Matt's reason for keeping the vote is we need to avoid a no lynch situation. Considering we still have more than 48 hours to get to a deadline lynch, I think we are fine. I'd like more of an explaination for keeping the vote on bizarro.

Baxter's said nothing about their vote. Again, a little more discussion on why would be helpful.

In my eyes, we are a long way from not getting a deadline lynch, so the more discussion the better. I feel the above two characters has said the least about their strategy and reasonings so far - and that makes me suspicious.

[Wood]

I liked legomans coin flip he did last game, but like someone mentioned it could just be a member of the darkness that does the flip and its an easy kill for the bad guys. There's no way to trust anyone yet so I guess that's not an option

Maybe we can do a virtual version of "not it", last one to come in an post "not it" gets killed?

I suppose with that the Mafias at a bit of an advantage over individual town players since they can message their team to get in here and post. Also someone like timbo who mentioned he might not be around is at an unfair advantage

I'm just thinking out loud, not really any idea what the best option is. There's no perfect plan here so we just need to come up with anything and move onto day 2 where we'll get a little more info based on who gets killed by the darkness at night

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

See, I think Bizaro has done the same thing including the trying to make up for lost time with meaningful posts. Yes, Bizaro got the mass pile on, but he also showed up just as the noose was getting pretty tight and when GGG suddenly changed their vote for him started getting a little pressure applied as to why he switched the vote (which it was only a couple minutes between me suggesting both GGG and Bizaro might be scum and Bizaro making an appearance).

The same reasoning and process of putting the pressure to say something and show up was used on both Squiggs and Bizaro. Squiggs was done and no one took the pressure off until he showed up. Bizaro had someone run to his aid and actually unvote him and try to deflect it to someone else before he shows up. That's where it becomes odd for me.

To clarify I didn't unvote Bizaro. I unvoted Squigs who I left my vote on until I had someone better to vote for. I still maintain if Bizaro was mafia other mafia members would have put votes on Baxter, mmmhmm and a random number generated post to take heat off of Bizaro. Doing it with 3 votes to lynch doesn't make sense for the Mafia.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I'm here, there just isn't a lot to discuss right now. Last game day 1 was a gong show and a bunch of people were coming up with theories based on no information at all (myself included). It would be nice if the same thing didn't happen this game which is why I'm not against voting off someone random first. Chances are pretty good we vote off a towns person anyway, but at least a random vote can't be swayed by the scum, and we could get lucky.

A random vote that everyone agrees to provides no information for the future. It gets everyone out of making the decision. Everyone can just blindly vote for the guy we eliminate. Everyone needs to make a decision and state a reason for it.

I'm voting for Oling for two reasons He was hopping on two vote trains and I don't like random voting. I don't believe I will be switching my vote regardless of what the group decides.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I'm here, there just isn't a lot to discuss right now. Last game day 1 was a gong show and a bunch of people were coming up with theories based on no information at all (myself included). It would be nice if the same thing didn't happen this game which is why I'm not against voting off someone random first. Chances are pretty good we vote off a towns person anyway, but at least a random vote can't be swayed by the scum, and we could get lucky.

The goal of a a day 1 lynch isn't necessarily to get a scum (although that would be the best possible outcome, it's pretty unlikely). It's more to gather information we can use to make informed decisions later. That's why it's important for people to give their reasons when they vote, it gives us something to look back on later. IMO, anyone who is voting often without providing a rationale is either mafia or helping the mafia blend in.

If everyone could post why they're voting when they do that would help the town.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Someone uses a random number generator and a camera phone to video themself... post it to YouTube for all to see and determine if it's legit. easy peasy.

but that's the thing, a mafia member can easily say "I'll do it!", quickly use a number generator and try until a townie is selected (which will probably happen on first or second try anyway because we're the majority). As a result, your point of "mafia can't sway a random vote" is invalid in my opinion.

[East Coast Flame]

So by my count, right now there are 5 votes for Bizaro and 3 for Squiggs. We need 8 votes to lynch and 12 to hammer.

Unvote

Vote: Baxter Renegade

I am going to go back to my initial thought of inactive posting. Either Baxter is a scum who conveniently showed up to pile on the Bizaro vote, or just an inactive town which isn't helping us regardless.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Wood

Maybe we can do a virtual version of "not it", last one to come in an post "not it" gets killed?

Well I'm completely 100% against this. While I don't think the mafia would do something so blatant, the fact that this could have been easily coordinated earlier so that all mafia members are on to say "not it" leaves me completely against that.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by GGG

A random vote that everyone agrees to provides no information for the future. It gets everyone out of making the decision. Everyone can just blindly vote for the guy we eliminate. Everyone needs to make a decision and state a reason for it.

Okay I agree with this. I wanted to just randomly vote because the last game went so poorly on the first day with everyone panicking, but if a random vote is going to help anyone it's the Mafia

There's literally no one that I am leaning towards to vote for though. Baxter would be a decent vote for the reasons east coast flame posted (piled on without reasoning, if he is town he's not being active.)

[bizaro86]

I'm going to go with Baxter for now. He hasn't ramped up his posting after saying he would now that the weekend was over, and was in a "tipping point" spot in the vote train for me, which is suspicious. That, combined with his inactivity, makes him a solid choice to vote out.

Vote: Baxter Renegade.

[formulate]

Thanks for the contribution Bizaro and once again sorry to hear about the home situation.

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While I understand your thinking, I wouldn't put too much stock into what you believe is good or poor mafia strategy yet. The mafia could be composed of some newer players (or returnees who have yet to be mafia), players who don't have a lot of time to get on the same page, or possibly a lack of good communication.

Also remember that it is the job of the mafia to create confusion, so potentially randomness is their strategy.

I'm still leaning towards inactivity (which I guess would be Baxter at this point) mostly because I don't think I have enough of a read on anyone to hope for a better-than-average chance of hitting scum.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by formulate

Thanks for the contribution Bizaro and once again sorry to hear about the home situation.

Unvote

While I understand your thinking, I wouldn't put too much stock into what you believe is good or poor mafia strategy yet. The mafia could be composed of some newer players (or returnees who have yet to be mafia), players who don't have a lot of time to get on the same page, or possibly a lack of good communication.

Also remember that it is the job of the mafia to create confusion, so potentially randomness is their strategy.

I'm still leaning towards inactivity (which I guess would be Baxter at this point) mostly because I don't think I have enough of a read on anyone to hope for a better-than-average chance of hitting scum.

Thanks formulate. My wife is dealing with the plumbers for the "permanent fix" now, but I have to be at work anyway, so might as well post here...

Good point about the mafia strategy, I definitely tend to overthink this, which is a weakness (but probably also why I find it so much fun). I do agree that we don't have much better than a random chance of hitting scum first round, but I think we should avoid going strictly random so the mafia can't hijack the "random" process.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 22 alive, it takes 12 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 8 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (10): Wood, starseed, hmmhmmcamo, stazzy33, RatherDashing, Rathji, Timbo, Puxlut, devo22, forumlate

Voted:
bizaro86 (4): GP_Matt, Oling_Roachinen, Baxter Renegade, GirlySports
squiggs96 (3): Delgar, mrkajz44, dissentowner
Baxter Renegade (3): East Coast Flame, bizaro86, squiggs96
GGG (1): Drury18
Oling_Roachinen (1): GGG

The deadline is Wednesday, October 1st at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 22 alive, it takes 12 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 8 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (10): Wood, starseed, hmmhmmcamo, stazzy33, RatherDashing, Rathji, Timbo, Puxlut, devo22, forumlate

Voted:
bizaro86 (5): GP_Matt, Oling_Roachinen, Baxter Renegade, GirlySports, squiggs96
squiggs96 (3): Delgar, mrkajz44, dissentowner
Baxter Renegade (2): East Coast Flame, bizaro86
GGG (1): Drury18
Oling_Roachinen (1): GGG

The deadline is Wednesday, October 1st at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

Pika actually voted for Baxter.

[Wood]

Is my sig too big? I can't tell on mobile

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by Wood

Is my sig too big? I can't tell on mobile

A little haha.

[Wood]

Where are my Toad servants to set this up for me haha

[Drury18]

And this is why you keep getting left in other castles

[Baxter Renegade]

My inactivity is due largely to me being fairly busy with work. My work has me traveling often, and I've been in dumpy Edmonton for the past little while. I only have my phone to post on.

My thoughts are as so:

This being the third series of CP mafia, you have to assume the mafia has wised up to piling on... Especially day 1. I highly doubt any of the mafia members have casted a vote in the pile. I strongly feel most of the members of the dark are in the "have not voted" pile and we need to look there. This is obviously speculation, but a lot of players have played this game before and "mafia pile on" has been a running theme, especially in the last game. I don't think there's anyway the core of the scum is found in the Bizaro vote... They're quietly waiting in the shadows and are going to get us to self destruct by using old theory's against us.