2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[robaur]

Is it pitchforks time already?

THE FLAMES ARE TANKING! ....and ITS OK!

It's blatantly obvious that the Flames are tanking for McDavid or Eichel. It is Brian Burke's master plan and if it works...everyone will be beyond ecstatic.

Our roster is filled with plugs and there are a lot of expiring contracts. Come next year...I expect a lot more young guys to make the team.

I just request the CP community to quit being in denial that we are not tanking....yes...we really are tanking....and its OK!

As a STH, I dont spend $8,000 every year to watch these plugs play that arent even a part of the future of this team....but I understand the reasoning for it and if we end up with McDavid or Eichel.....well it will be well worth the sacrifice 5 years down the road.

Management is just doing smart business and saying all the right things while doing whatever they want in the end.....relax...thats OK too! Getting McDavid or Eichel is in our best interests...


Setoguchi is not an NHL player...and Bollig was also outplayed by our young guys. Add on the fact that Toronto didnt re-sign Mason Raymond who is as streaky as they come.....I couldn't believe more fans didnt catch on to this planned tanking.

You think Murray Edwards, billionaire owner and one of the best business minds is going to sit around and let his team not try and get a generational player like a Connor McDavid....you're out to lunch....do you know how much revenue that one kid alone will make for this club?

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

[heep223]

^ this post is terrible, where are you when we need you?

EDIT: excellent. Hats off to you. You're like the Batman of CP, humbly lurking in the night until justice is needed.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by robaur

Is it pitchforks time already?

THE FLAMES ARE TANKING! ....and ITS OK!

It's blatantly obvious that the Flames are tanking for McDavid or Eichel. It is Brian Burke's master plan and if it works...everyone will be beyond ecstatic.

Our roster is filled with plugs and there are a lot of expiring contracts. Come next year...I expect a lot more young guys to make the team.

I just request the CP community to quit being in denial that we are not tanking....yes...we really are tanking....and its OK!

As a STH, I dont spend $8,000 every year to watch these plugs play that arent even a part of the future of this team....but I understand the reasoning for it and if we end up with McDavid or Eichel.....well it will be well worth the sacrifice 5 years down the road.

Management is just doing smart business and saying all the right things while doing whatever they want in the end.....relax...thats OK too! Getting McDavid or Eichel is in our best interests...


Setoguchi is not an NHL player...and Bollig was also outplayed by our young guys. Add on the fact that Toronto didnt re-sign Mason Raymond who is as streaky as they come.....I couldn't believe more fans didnt catch on to this planned tanking.

You think Murray Edwards, billionaire owner and one of the best business minds is going to sit around and let his team not try and get a generational player like a Connor McDavid....you're out to lunch....do you know how much revenue that one kid alone will make for this club?

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

lol

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by robaur

Is it pitchforks time already?

THE FLAMES ARE TANKING! ....and ITS OK!

Blah blah blah consipracy blah blah money blah blah

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by heep223

^ this post is terrible, where are you when we need you?

Aside for living in a country with freedom of speech, I pay the Calgary Flames, so I do have a right to have an opinion on their operations, and that is my opinion.

Furthermore....

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

***some stupid cat gif***

At the very minimum....learn to spell "conspiracy" before ridiculing my post. You e-Thug you!

that is all.

[dino7c]

to all those complaining...what is your cap compliant roster? lets see it

[Robbob]

I honestly don't see the big issue. So what if he isn't here for the home opener. It is still about asset management and these players cut can freely go through waivers. Every team is in the same position getting their rosters compliant for opening day. The worst thing to do is make a deal when you are painted into a corner. The GM needs time to make space, if it takes a month then so be it.

[dino7c]

and yeah 2-3 guys will be injured in the first week

[GoJetsGo]

Really hard to believe there's this much outrage and drama.

Last season, Sven started with the big club and got sent down.

I'd be willing to wager this year he starts with the farm club and gets sent up.

Regardless, some people are taking this far, far too seriously.

[robaur]

I dont have a problem with the Flames management decisions. I just want more people on CP to come out and say "Yes we are tanking and its OK!".

I just dislike it when people post and go like "HA! We ain't tanking. Why? Cuz the coach says so! and so does the GM! add in the President of hockey operations..."

well gee....how about we analyze all the information and make an opinion on our own.

I am all for getting McDavid or Eichel!

[Red Menace]

If we're not tanking, there is a problem

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by dino7c

to all those complaining...what is your cap compliant roster? lets see it

mine has Setoguchi in the minors and Sven, at a higher cap hit, making the squad.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by FBI

For those commenting about svens crappy preseason numbers, don't forget some of his beauty passes that teammates didn't capitalize on and should have.

I don't remember seto generating much at all.

Why are people still comparing Sven to Seto? Setoguchi plays the RW and Sven is a LWer. Assuming Hudler is playing the right wing and knowing Sven won't play on the 4th line (Bollig), he had to be better than Raymond, Glencross, or Gaudreau. He wasn't and therefore sent down. It's not that complicated.

[N-E-B]

The overreactions on here are ridiculous.

Do those guys deserve to be here? Yes. Unfortunately there's a cap floor and that's something we have to deal with. I'm in no rush to see the rookies play in the NHL and clearly neither are the Flames. AHL hockey is good hockey, go to a game sometime. What's the point of having these guys play 3rd line minutes in the NHL when they could play 1st line minutes in the AHL? Patience.

[Ashasx]

I don't think the cap floor had anything to do with these decisions.

[BigNumbers]

Did I click the wrong link and end up on oilerpuck.com? More seasoning in the AHL for our prospects is nothing but positive. The biploar nature of some folks's posts around here is rather frightening... "We are amazing look at these prospects!"

some guys sent town

"this team sucks"

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand. For Sven to be 'as good' as Setoguchi is NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Setoguchi is a cheap, temporary place-holder on a rebuilding team. Setoguchi is there so that the Flames have the luxury of not rushing the development of a first round draft pick who they feel will eventually be CONSIDERABLY better than Setoguchi.

We all mock the (stupid) Oilers for rushing their kids and then we jump on the Flames when they feel that the best thing for a player's development is to be sent down. The fact that the Flames are sending Sven down shows that they still believe in his ability to be the kind of top 6 player that they envisioned when they drafted him. The very point is that he is not there yet, for Sven, in the eyes of the Flames, being as good as Devin frickin' Setoguchi is NOT GOOD enough.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.

Simmer down everyone, could it be that the Flames know what they are doing? Could it be that this is really the best thing for Sven? Let's just wait and see before we burn down the Dome.

Im not sure where you get the sense of anger from, I think it's a valid question people are asking.

My point, which was pretty clear, was that Baertschi was not 'as good' as Seto, he was clearly better. Clearly better in every aspect.

I know it will likely turn out that Treliving and Hartley dont have something against Sven and he is being sent down for some refinement so he can be a better NHL player. I'm not lost on that. My point would be that if you are going to preach up and down that you earn a spot in Calgary and never given one, I would think you need to make the tough calls and follow up on that promise. Which in this case I would love to hear what they saw in Seto that had him ranked above Baertschi when it came down to cut day.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why are you sick of it? Do you believe Baertschi should be on the team because he was picked 13th overall? There was a LW spot up for grabs and Gaudreau was simply better at least to this point. He had a few good moments but from what I saw he didn't stand out of the pack like some other players. Quite frankly I'm getting sick of fans saying that he's earned a spot on the Flames roster because he hasn't.

Im sick of it because it's obviously not true.

You didnt answer my question in which how does Setogucci earn a spot that forces Baertschi down? If you are going to tell players that "On this team, anyone can be cut and anyone can me signed, I dont care what name is on the back of your jersey" kind of crap that every team likely preaches every year. When someone actually outperforms, not play as well as, but blatantly outperforms a player but still loses that spot, then why even make the statement.
People are going to get all over Baertschi because of his comments, but I could see why he would be disappointed in being cut after he did all that was asked of him.

Again, I'm sure there are reasons for them sending him down that goes beyond his performance at camp, but I dont get why you couldnt keep him up for a few games to show that you stand by your statements.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

The overreactions on here are ridiculous.

Do those guys deserve to be here? Yes. Unfortunately there's a cap floor and that's something we have to deal with. I'm in no rush to see the rookies play in the NHL and clearly neither are the Flames. AHL hockey is good hockey, go to a game sometime. What's the point of having these guys play 3rd line minutes in the NHL when they could play 1st line minutes in the AHL? Patience.

Baertschi would be paid more than setogucci, so it isnt a cap decision

[Clever_Iggy]

After listening to Trevling state for months that his firm belief is that a player can't over season/ripen in the AHL, I'm shocked that so many are shocked that he thinks Baertschi, Ferland, Jooris, etc can't spend at least the start of the season down there.

[Itse]

Tim Jackman.

I'd say that counts as a vet who was pushed out of the roster to make room for rookies. Jackman was on the roster on the opening night (scratched), got a total of 10 games in a Flames jersey before he was Traded to Anaheim. (November 21st, for a 6th round pick.)


Also, that Treliving tweet... Sigh.

Threads/reactions like this are really a prime example why creating a winner in Canada is just harder than it is somewhere else.

That tweet might calm down some fans, but it also
a) creates a bit more trade talk, which is well known to disrupt locker rooms
b) weakens the teams trading position (granted very marginally)


People should just calm the #### down and let the management do their thing for a while before going crazy over which borderline NHL player makes our crappy roster on a team that's headed for the bottom of the standings, again.


Also, Johnny Hockey is on the team, how about some positive emotions people!