2015 NHL Draft

[codynw]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

as i think the 2 below outcomes cannot co-exist, curious which outcome flames fans would prefer:
1) Gaudreau has an amazing rookie year and wins or is nominated for the calder
2) Flames get a top 2 lottery pick and select mcdavid/eichel

Johnny plays all year in the AHL, Flames get McDavid/Eichel in the draft, and Johnny wins the Calder next year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I'd rather see Gaudreau have an amazing year, just so he proves everyone wrong once again. Not asking for a PPG, but I wouldn't be as surprised if he makes the team full time and has the most points.

I like McDavid/Eichel, but it's not the end of the world if we don't grab one of them. There are still good defensive prospects in Hanifin/Kylington, and those aren't available, then there is still Werenski and Sprong.

[Bingo Jr.]

I don't see the flames getting McDavid or Eichel, guessing we will finish 4th. Want McDavid badly though!!

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I don't see the flames getting McDavid or Eichel, guessing we will finish 4th. Want McDavid badly though!!

There's always that chance of winning the lottery. But then again, the Hockey Gods are never in our favor.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

There's always that chance of winning the lottery. But then again, the Hockey Gods are never in our favor.

Winning the lottery in a year like next where the best prospect in a decade is available would make up for years of no luck worth the hockey Gods IMO.

McDavid, Bennett, Monahan is insane center depth comparable to the Pens when they had Crosby, Malkin, Staal

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Not in a million years IMO. Would you want Jack Johnson or Crosby? I would rather trade both the 2016 1st and 2017 1st for a stud dman then give up McDavid or Eichel.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Not at all. McDavid is ours, no trade backs.

Originally Posted by nik-

No, you take a truly elite center.

Originally Posted by Hackey

God no. The bigger question would be do you take McDavid or Eichel.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Imagine if Pittsburgh traded down for Jack Johnson just because they already had Malkin.

Hypothetically though it would be a lot more coming back then just that pick. The key here is Lindros type deal. For Lindros they received in the trade the rights to eventual Hart Trophy winner Peter Forsberg, as well as Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, a 1st round selection (Jocelyn Thibault) in 1993, a 1st round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Washington Capitals—Nolan Baumgartner) in 1994, and $15,000,000 cash.

If Buffalo Offered Reinhart, Myers or Zaradov, their pick in 2015 (lets say third to take McDavid and Eichel out of it), and another prospect or picks you wouldn't consider it?

[bax]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I'd rather see Gaudreau have an amazing year, just so he proves everyone wrong once again. Not asking for a PPG, but I wouldn't be as surprised if he makes the team full time and has the most points.

I like McDavid/Eichel, but it's not the end of the world if we don't grab one of them. There are still good defensive prospects in Hanifin/Kylington, and those aren't available, then there is still Werenski and Sprong.

Gaudreau leading the team in points? I'm excited about him too, but expectations are getting out of hand. Let's keep in mind this guy is a first year pro. For all we know, he might spend half the season in the minors.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bax

Gaudreau leading the team in points? I'm excited about him too, but expectations are getting out of hand. Let's keep in mind this guy is a first year pro. For all we know, he might spend half the season in the minors.

Reread my post. I said I am not asking a PPG out of him, that's tempering expecations. Secondly, I said that he had to make the team full time in order to achieve leading the team in points. That's still tempering imo, because the kid is perfectly capable of hitting 55-60 points in 82 games. No one on our team is getting 60 points.

[BlackWallStreet]

Originally Posted by codynw

Johnny plays all year in the AHL, Flames get McDavid/Eichel in the draft, and Johnny wins the Calder next year.

I was waiting in line at timmies while reading this and got a very noticeable erection. Thanks cody. Appreciate it!!

In all seriousness though, I hope you're right

[Funkhouser]

Is there any risk that there is an expansion team next season? I only ask because if that were the case, there is a good shot that Calgary would get their pick pilfered. Maybe its years of bad luck, but I could just foresee this happenning to us.

At what point would a new team need to be announced in order to be assured that this wouldn't happen?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Winning the lottery in a year like next where the best prospect in a decade is available would make up for years of no luck worth the hockey Gods IMO.

McDavid, Bennett, Monahan is insane center depth comparable to the Pens when they had Crosby, Malkin, Staal

Don't think McDavid will be as good as Crosby and doubt Bennett is near Malkin but you are right it would be amazing depth if they all pan out the way we hope and expect.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

Is there any risk that there is an expansion team next season?

Yes. Can't say too much yet but your speculation is correct and hopefully the new addition(s) aren't granted top pick automatically.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Red John

Yes. Can't say too much yet but your speculation is correct and hopefully the new addition(s) aren't granted top pick automatically.

Damn, what would you put the likelihood at??
I imagine that there might be significant uproar from the current mgmt of NHL teams that any new team is placed at the end of the lottery (i.e. picks #15th)

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Red John

Yes. Can't say too much yet but your speculation is correct and hopefully the new addition(s) aren't granted top pick automatically.

I can't see any potential expansion team getting the top pick automatically. Maybe something in the top 5? Even that seems like too much. They should have to suffer through a bad season like everyone else.

How was it done in the past?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by bax

Gaudreau leading the team in points? I'm excited about him too, but expectations are getting out of hand. Let's keep in mind this guy is a first year pro. For all we know, he might spend half the season in the minors.

Not like he has much competition. Just saying.

Cammy's gone. Hudler? He had a good year but what should we expect, 50 points?

Gaudreau could very well hit 50+ with his consistency.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Reread my post. I said I am not asking a PPG out of him, that's tempering expecations. Secondly, I said that he had to make the team full time in order to achieve leading the team in points. That's still tempering imo, because the kid is perfectly capable of hitting 55-60 points in 82 games. No one on our team is getting 60 points.

Not asking for a point per game out of a rookie player is tempering expectations? This is news to me. Do you actually see Johnny having a McKinnon like season?

I think people need to temper their expectations even more than you are suggesting. Young, small players may require some time to adjust to the pro ranks.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Red John

Yes. Can't say too much yet but your speculation is correct and hopefully the new addition(s) aren't granted top pick automatically.

Do you have inside info? I would think its way too late for an expansion team to start 2015-2016. I think the earliest would be 2016-2017?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

Is there any risk that there is an expansion team next season? I only ask because if that were the case, there is a good shot that Calgary would get their pick pilfered. Maybe its years of bad luck, but I could just foresee this happenning to us.

At what point would a new team need to be announced in order to be assured that this wouldn't happen?

To me, a reasonable solution for an expansion team would be to pick before the playoff teams. In this instance, that would mean picking 15th and 16th (assuming 2 expansion teams)

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bax

Not asking for a point per game out of a rookie player is tempering expectations? This is news to me. Do you actually see Johnny having a McKinnon like season?

I think people need to temper their expectations even more than you are suggesting. Young, small players may require some time to adjust to the pro ranks.

I've tempered my tempered expectations. And every single time, Johnny proves me wrong and does 100x better than what I'd thought he'd do.

I'm still tempering, but now it's safe for me to expect a little more than what I originally thought. It's a good thing, he's going to make management bite their nails in where to slot him next year.

[CSharp]

Flames and gang don't need to prove anything this year. They need a franchise player. For all I care, Burke should stash Monahan, Geo, and any top 6 players in IR. They just need to tank at the right time this season so that they can entertain one of the top 2 picks in the 2015 draft. The worse thing the team can do is to over achieve and stock up on average talents. It's definitely way more advantageous to under achieve for the upcoming once-in-a-lifetime draft for the Flames.

This is probably pretty obvious to most, but I don't understand the reasoning behind the posts for Gaudreau or Baertschi breakout season. It's like, the Flames are barely into their rebuilding process and some of us are expecting the Flames to be a Cup contender in 3 to 5 years! Maybe some people don't realize that rebuilding an NHL franchise is not the same as rebuilding a WHL team like the Hitmen.