Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

Pucker Chill?

Everyone is free to dispute any claim made on here, the important part is to do it respectfully.

Right, so report them and leave it at that. Don't need wanna be mods.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Zevo

First and foremost because that's where Hamas set up shop. The first step to stopping innocent Palestinians from being killed is for Hamas to not fire rockets from their location.

The second step is for Israel not to fire on an area with a well documented civilians population.

Two wrongs don't make a right, that's a universal truth. If Israel's best reason for firing on schools and hospitals and killing civilians is "the terrorists endangered them first," then I'm sorry, but when your country is justifying evil by saying it's ok because terrorists did it first, then your government isn't much better than the terrorists.

Most reasonable people know Hamas is awful and evil. Hamas justifies it's actions because of the Israeli occupation, Israel justifies it's actions because of the Hamas rockets, both have sides have histories that are far reaching and complicated. Much of the world she's the evil that Hamas is, but when does the evil being perpetuated by Israel become obvious?

As I've said before. It's not good vs evil, it's, at best, bad vs evil.

Originally Posted by Zevo

Right, so report them and leave it at that. Don't need wanna be mods.

The same applies to you. If wanna be mods aren't needed, nor are those telling others they shouldn't encourage civility. Take your own advice and report it and leave it at that.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Maybe the UN should just take over the West Bank and Gaza.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Maybe the UN should just take over the West Bank and Gaza.

Is there an example of that ever working?

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there an example of that ever working?

Not like there is much in the way of examples for why anything going on now is going to work.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Maybe the UN should just take over the West Bank and Gaza.

I can't see that possibly working or even happening, certainly not at the stage things are at right now.

Both sides have to get rid of the factors that are not congruent to peace first.

[flamefan74]

According to Israel, they were going after militants on a motorbike when the school was hit.

"The Israel Defense Forces said that it targeted three Palestinian Islamic Jihad members riding a motorcycle in the vicinity of the school. The IDF said it is reviewing the consequences of the strike but didn't say if the suspected militants were hit."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/03/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

One side might me be more mighty, and one side may be more just, but it's a war by any definition

Well, just disregarding what I wrote and reiterating your position doesn't necessarily make it true.

Considering Israel identifies it themselves as an occupation, it seems like an exercise in dismissal rather than a critical appraisal of the reality.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by flamefan74

According to Israel, they were going after militants on a motorbike when the school was hit.

"The Israel Defense Forces said that it targeted three Palestinian Islamic Jihad members riding a motorcycle in the vicinity of the school. The IDF said it is reviewing the consequences of the strike but didn't say if the suspected militants were hit."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/03/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

Three militants on a motorcycle?

Israel definitely screwed up big time on this one. Someone was definitely trigger happy and there's no excuse for it.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Some countries are slowly having a change of heart.

11:51 P.M. Spain temporarily freezes arms exports to Israel over Gaza war. Spain is the second country to announce sanctions over arms sale to Israel in the past 24 hours, after Britain said it was reviewing all arms export licenses to Israel. (Barak Ravid)

Actually, what I would like is to see one of these countries offer the Palestinians an Iron dome for defense, ideally in exchange for rockets that they possess. Offer them a means to protect themselves while lessening offensive capabilities. I think the 43% of Gazans that are under the age of 15 deserve to be afforded a defense from missiles.

Source

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Well, just disregarding what I wrote and reiterating your position doesn't necessarily make it true.

Considering Israel identifies it themselves as an occupation, it seems like an exercise in dismissal rather than a critical appraisal of the reality.

You can't change a lexicon because it doesn't fit your view. It's an uneven and even atrocious thing that Israel is doing. I think Israel need to stop killing it's own citizens, but you can't tell everyone who calls this is a war (which it literally is by every definition) that they don't understand it. It's a war, you were just pointing out how one sided it is, and I agree.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Some countries are slowly having a change of heart.



Actually, what I would like is to see one of these countries offer the Palestinians an Iron dome for defense, ideally in exchange for rockets that they possess. Offer them a means to protect themselves while lessening offensive capabilities. I think the 43% of Gazans that are under the age of 15 deserve to be afforded a defense from missiles.

Source

Does this mean Spain is anti-Semitic?

[Flamenspiel]

^^Look up "Spanish Inquisition", Spain is quite unique in this because they dealt with protestants, jews and muslims all at once.

[Mike F]

Anyone interested enough in the region to be still following this thread will likely be interested in this Charlie Rose interview with Bruce Riedel, Senior Fellow and Director of the Brookings Intelligence Project.

Most of the first half focuses on Afghanistan, but he touches on Israel and the Palestinians in the 2nd half (edit2: starting at 31:30 or so).

And if anyone is wondering....

Brookings states that its scholars "represent diverse points of view" and describes itself as non-partisan, while the media most frequently describe Brookings as "liberal-centrist" or "centrist." An academic analysis of Congressional records from 1993 to 2002 found that Brookings was referenced by conservative politicians almost as frequently as liberal politicians, earning a score of 53 on a 1-100 scale with 100 representing the most liberal score. The same study found Brookings to be the most frequently cited think tank by the U.S. media and politicians.

Source

[cracher]

^^ funny how you should mention that. Have a bunch of sephardic friends with family ties in Spain. They are just lighting it up on FB with just that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

The second step is for Israel not to fire on an area with a well documented civilians population.

Two wrongs don't make a right, that's a universal truth. If Israel's best reason for firing on schools and hospitals and killing civilians is "the terrorists endangered them first," then I'm sorry, but when your country is justifying evil by saying it's ok because terrorists did it first, then your government isn't much better than the terrorists.

Most reasonable people know Hamas is awful and evil. Hamas justifies it's actions because of the Israeli occupation, Israel justifies it's actions because of the Hamas rockets, both have sides have histories that are far reaching and complicated. Much of the world she's the evil that Hamas is, but when does the evil being perpetuated by Israel become obvious?

As I've said before. It's not good vs evil, it's, at best, bad vs evil.




The same applies to you. If wanna be mods aren't needed, nor are those telling others they shouldn't encourage civility. Take your own advice and report it and leave it at that.

The kind of policy you're talking about would only encourage Hamas further. If Israel announced they were not going to respond to attacks from areas with civilians, then Hamas would attack only from areas with civilians.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Some countries are slowly having a change of heart.



Actually, what I would like is to see one of these countries offer the Palestinians an Iron dome for defense, ideally in exchange for rockets that they possess. Offer them a means to protect themselves while lessening offensive capabilities. I think the 43% of Gazans that are under the age of 15 deserve to be afforded a defense from missiles.

Source

Yeah as long as Hamas remains in power in Palestine I would hope that no Western nation would be stupid enough to provide them with any kind of weaponry.

Plus it wouldn't be iron dome style of technology if you were going to give Palestine weapons, it would be anti-aircraft and anti-personal and anti-armor weapons which would easily translate in Hamas' hands into terror weapons.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah as long as Hamas remains in power in Palestine I would hope that no Western nation would be stupid enough to provide them with any kind of weaponry.

Plus it wouldn't be iron dome style of technology if you were going to give Palestine weapons, it would be anti-aircraft and anti-personal and anti-armor weapons which would easily translate in Hamas' hands into terror weapons.

Just so I understand, are you saying that because Iron Dome is not useful against the type of weapons that Israel has, or that the US simply wouldn't give the Palestinians such aid?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Just so I understand, are you saying that because Iron Dome is not useful against the type of weapons that Israel has, or that the US simply wouldn't give the Palestinians such aid?

The US gives the Palestinians about 500 million in aid a year. They receive more aid per person than any other population on the planet.

And no IRon Dome would not work against targeted strikes from above.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by blankall

The US gives the Palestinians about 500 million in aid a year. They receive more aid per person than any other population on the planet.

And no IRon Dome would not work against targeted strikes from above.

That's too bad for the Palestinians.