Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Good to see the U.S finally calling these acts exactly what they are.

"The U.S. State Department also chimed in saying it was "appalled" by the "disgraceful shelling."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-st...moon-1.2726449

Gives me hope there'll be an impetus from the idf funding Americans to end this

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

That would be truly a coincidence, eh? Thousands of rockets fired at Israel with quite a few landing only managing to kill 3 Israeli civilians, and one rocket is supposed to kill 10 and injure dozens of others? Come on, this is common sense.

Israel has already confirmed it was them.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...122193560.html

So... lets say Canada decides to attack Spokane WA, USA and they set up a rocket launcher right beside your house... and start firing.

The USA responds by sending a Tomahawk missile to destroy the launcher. .... and you and your family die from the collateral damage.

Who's at fault? The USA for defending themselves or the Canadian military for choosing your neighborhood to attack from?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So... lets say Canada decides to attack Spokane WA, USA and they set up a rocket launcher right beside your house... and start firing.

The USA responds by sending a Tomahawk missile to destroy the launcher. .... and you and your family die from the collateral damage.

Who's at fault? The USA for defending themselves or the Canadian military for choosing your neighborhood to attack from?

Both, for being idiots.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Who else would it be? Hamas certainly doesn't have an airforce...

No they don't. But what they do have is thousands of rockets and sometimes those rockets malfunction when fired and hit unintended targets.. but that's ok, because a Palestinian death is almost as good, to the Hamas cause, as an Israeli death.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Gives me hope there'll be an impetus from the idf funding Americans to end this

Unlikely considering the US approved $225 million more for the Iron Dome system just the other day.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So... lets say Canada decides to attack Spokane WA, USA and they set up a rocket launcher right beside your house... and start firing.

The USA responds by sending a Tomahawk missile to destroy the launcher. .... and you and your family die from the collateral damage.

Who's at fault? The USA for defending themselves or the Canadian military for choosing your neighborhood to attack from?

First off there is absolutely zero proof that there were rockets being fired from beside that school. Secondly, It is not a proper response to shell an area filled with women and children because of rocket fire. There are much better ways to deal with the situation. These Hamas rockets have killed 3 civilians. Israel isn't in grave danger that the shelling of a U.N shelter is appropriate. It is kind of sad that I even have to say that.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So... lets say Canada decides to attack Spokane WA, USA and they set up a rocket launcher right beside your house... and start firing.

The USA responds by sending a Tomahawk missile to destroy the launcher. .... and you and your family die from the collateral damage.

Who's at fault? The USA for defending themselves or the Canadian military for choosing your neighborhood to attack from?

What does this example have to do with the Israel - Palestine situation?

It does not describe the geography or conditions of either side accurately.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

As emotionally connected to this as some might feel, we need to stop accusing other people of posters of hate. All it does is antagonise others, and if you feel a post steps over the line, report it.

Can we PLEASE stop? It's not as though both sides don't have a couple people that have been repeatedly guilty of expressing themselves with questionable motives.

This is a issue where people may have a lot of personal stake or feelings in the matter. Respond to posts disputing the information, not the poster. If you can't, then don't respond at all.

Take your own advice and just report posts you think are personal or over the line or don't respond at all. It's a forum, if someone is going to post false or over the top rhetoric, they will get called out on it.

It's also interesting you only call out people on one side of the debate when both sides are guilty puck...er Chill.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So... lets say Canada decides to attack Spokane WA, USA and they set up a rocket launcher right beside your house... and start firing.

The USA responds by sending a Tomahawk missile to destroy the launcher. .... and you and your family die from the collateral damage.

Who's at fault? The USA for defending themselves or the Canadian military for choosing your neighborhood to attack from?

Would the U.S. Also have been building illegally in Canada?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

First off there is absolutely zero proof that there were rockets being fired from beside that school. Secondly, It is not a proper response to shell an area filled with women and children because of rocket fire. There are much better ways to deal with the situation. These Hamas rockets have killed 3 civilians. Israel isn't in grave danger that the shelling of a U.N shelter is appropriate. It is kind of sad that I even have to say that.

If the Israeli's only limited themselves to attacking, in response to the rocket attacks by Hamas, military targets that were nowhere near schools and hospitals...
..... well now, how many targets would they actually be able to fire on? Not very many, I bet.

Hamas is very well known for setting up shop next to targets where high collateral damage is assured (and probably hoped for).

When Israel is attacked, they have every right to respond. In fact, they must respond. Its the only way they have survived, surrounded by millions hating enemies, for the past 65 years.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If the Israeli's only limited themselves to attacking, in response to the rocket attacks by Hamas, military targets that were nowhere near schools and hospitals...
..... well now, how many targets would they actually be able to fire on? Not very many, I bet.

Hamas is very well known for setting up shop next to targets where high collateral damage is assured (and probably hoped for).

When Israel is attacked, they have every right to respond. In fact, they must respond. Its the only way they have survived, surrounded by millions hating enemies, for the past 65 years.

Israel definitely has the right to respond. However, shelling a UN school that they know for a fact is housing hundreds of civilians because there might be a Hamas rocket launcher or something of that nature within proximity to that school is appalling IMO. Especially when they get coordinates for that school over & over & over...so they can avoid it. Hamas is cowardly for using locations such as this one to set up their bases, I completely agree. They're a terrorist organization. The attacks on these schools is just as cowardly IMO. They sent ground troops in, why not investigate rather than indiscriminately firing upon the schools? Sure it would put their soldiers at greater risk, but wouldn't it be worth it if they had the potential to save 1000+ lives? I dunno...I guess they don't see it that way. As far as I'm concerned they absolutely deserve the criticism that they're receiving for these particular attacks.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Israel definitely has the right to respond. However, shelling a UN school that they know for a fact is housing hundreds of civilians because there might be a Hamas rocket launcher or something of that nature within proximity to that school is appalling IMO. Especially when they get coordinates for that school over & over & over...so they can avoid it. Hamas is cowardly for using locations such as this one to set up their bases, I completely agree. They're a terrorist organization. The attacks on these schools is just as cowardly IMO. They sent ground troops in, why not investigate rather than indiscriminately firing upon the schools? Sure it would put their soldiers at greater risk, but wouldn't it be worth it if they had the potential to save 1000+ lives? I dunno...I guess they don't see it that way. As far as I'm concerned they absolutely deserve the criticism that they're receiving for these particular attacks.

So, send in a squad of soldiers, into a densely packed urban environment, in order to eliminate a threat and at the same time minimize any collateral damage to Palestinians....

Those soldiers wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting out of there alive. They'd be fired upon from every window and roof top in the area. It would be a killing zone.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So, send in a squad of soldiers, into a densely packed urban environment, in order to eliminate a threat and at the same time minimize any collateral damage to Palestinians....

Those soldiers wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting out of there alive. They'd be fired upon from every window and roof top in the area. It would be a killing zone.

And the Palestinian children had a chance? Or do we not consider them as valuable as Israeli blood?

It WAS a killing zone.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So, send in a squad of soldiers, into a densely packed urban environment, in order to eliminate a threat and at the same time minimize any collateral damage to Palestinians....

Those soldiers wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting out of there alive. They'd be fired upon from every window and roof top in the area. It would be a killing zone.

It IS a killing zone. For innocent people. I don't understand how anyone can get behind something like this. Israel are not terrorists and therefore MUST hold themselves to a higher standard. The bottom line is that right now what they're doing is completely unacceptable. There is a good reason Israel is coming under huge international pressure to scale back. Even in war, civilian deaths like this are not acceptable and should never be justified.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

And the Palestinian children had a chance? Or do we not consider them as valuable as Israeli blood?

It WAS a killing zone.

Well then you can blame that on Hamas for setting up shop next to the school. Or is that something you refuse to do?

I agree, Israel must accept responsibility for its actions and bear the consequences... but then so must Hamas.

Perhaps, it is time for Israel to scale back the shelling and missile fire.. but Hamas must also stop using schools and hospitals, and the areas immediately surrounding them, as military bases.

I suspect that only one of the above parties will do so. Guess which one?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

And the Palestinian children had a chance? Or do we not consider them as valuable as Israeli blood?

It WAS a killing zone.

First and foremost because that's where Hamas set up shop. The first step to stopping innocent Palestinians from being killed is for Hamas to not fire rockets from their location.

[redforever]

I don’t think that Israel’s democratic proportional voting system helps matters either.

Fringe parties prop up shaky coalition governments in exchange for policy that turns an eye to settlement construction in the West Bank or policy that opposes Palestinian statehood.

The average Israeli is opposed to most of those policies yet Israel’s PR system basically allows the fringe parties to have control. The fringe parties become king makers so to speak.

We saw some of that in Canada as well, when PM Harper first came into power, but without a majority. The Conservatives spent a lot more recession dollars to stay in power because the Liberals and NDP would bring the House down if they never.

Israel will have to deal with their extreme fringe parties and the Palestinians will have to deal with Hamas before a lasting peace can be negotiated.

[T@T]

Maybe it's time to send the Maglan into Qatar and cut the heads off the gutless snakes called the Hamas leadership hiding there living like kings while ordering their people to die.

[redforever]

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[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Take your own advice and just report posts you think are personal or over the line or don't respond at all. It's a forum, if someone is going to post false or over the top rhetoric, they will get called out on it.



It's also interesting you only call out people on one side of the debate when both sides are guilty puck...er Chill.

Pucker Chill?

Everyone is free to dispute any claim made on here, the important part is to do it respectfully.