Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[WCW Nitro]

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rockets don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by Azure

I never said they didn't try to fight for their independence. I said they didn't resort to terrorist attacks during the last 10 years while Iraq was in chaos. In fact they don't even resort to terrorist attacks now while Iraq is falling apart.

Israel might be wrong in a lot of things, but it certainly doesn't justify terrorism as a way to try and fix those 'wrongs.'

Hamas has to go not to protect Israel, but to protect the Palestinian people. That is something most people here miss. Their stated goal might be the destruction of Israel, but their real purpose is to keep the Palestinian people living in fear while they use them as puppets to get what they want.

Well that's because the Kurds have gotten pretty much what they wanted over the last 20 years with the no-fly zone during the Saddam regime and the current Iraq government guaranteeing them autonomy.

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rockets don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

A faulty rocket can easily cause a rocket to take a unpredictable path so it's inconceivable that this could be an Hamas misfire.

[pria(kin)16]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rockets don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

You're quite good at cherry picking from articles and making bold conclusive statements that support your position.

From the same article

"Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, an Israeli army spokesman, denied Israel was involved. "This incident was carried out by Gaza terrorists whose rockets fell short and hit the Shifa Hospital and the Beach (Shati) camp," he said."

So if I support Israel, I should start my post "Hamas misfires rockets and kills more innocent Palestinians and tries to blame Israel."

Not that you'll believe it, but Israel has documented 200 Hamas rockets and mortars which have landed in the Gaza Strip intended for Israel. I've tried to refrain from posting in this thread but your ridiculous posts finally got to me.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rocketss don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

4 Israeli civilians were killed by rocket fire this morning. The rockets also hit things in Israel all the time. Their civilians run into bomb shelters and basements to avoid the rockets.

This is also not the first time Hamas has caused casualties via misfired rockets. The BBC reporter's family turned out to have been killed by Hamas rocket fire.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rockets don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

Chances are a lot of those rockets would have hit Israeli homes and schools and businesses if Israel wouldn't have focused an a defense system designed to intercept those rockets before they hit.

Israel also builds shelters and they constantly teach and practice evacuation drills.

you cannot penalize Israel for setting up these defense protocols and technology to protect their citizens.

You seem to think that the right thing for Israel to do is to take hits and watch their citizens die.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Israel hits another hospital and a children's park, killing 9 children. Israel says both incidents were hamas rockets that misfired. Funny how these inaccurate rockets don't hit anything in israel, but somehow manage to find their way to shelters,hospitals,and kids parks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-...officials-say/

See, now I know you're just not thinking.

This is exactly what you'd expect from shoddy rockets. They hit things they're not supposed to hit - except when Israel shoots them out of the sky first.

There's also a pretty big difference between a normal miss and a missfire. This isn't a great sign of a conspiracy, it's exactly what you should expect.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by blankall

4 Israeli civilians were killed by rocket fire this morning. The rockets also hit things in Israel all the time. Their civilians run into bomb shelters and basements to avoid the rockets.

This is also not the first time Hamas has caused casualties via misfired rockets. The BBC reporter's family turned out to have been killed by Hamas rocket fire.

Yeah, it's totally possible that just in the last week the rockets have "misfired" and hit a couple of hospitals, a school, and now a children's park.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Yeah, it's totally possible that just in the last week the rockets have "misfired" and hit a couple of hospitals, a school, and now a children's park.

I would say that it is pretty possible, especially if they blew up right on the launching pads. (Sorry, but someone had to say it).

I find it odd... it's practically a war zone, maybe it's not the best time to take your kids to the park. Sounds fishy, doesn't it?

It's hard to know who to believe when stuff like this happens.

[Savvy27]

Presupposing that the hospital was hit by the IDF, what is the right thing there?

If Israel agrees to refrain from targeting hospitals for humanitarian reasons, does anybody doubt that Hamas will store rockets near hospitals and shoot them from there?

I'm struggling to feel hope for peace any time soon.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would say that it is pretty possible, especially if they blew up right on the launching pads. (Sorry, but someone had to say it).

I find it odd... it's practically a war zone, maybe it's not the best time to take your kids to the park. Sounds fishy, doesn't it?

It's hard to know who to believe when stuff like this happens.

Unbelievable how some people will go to any length to defend Israel. I have a feeling that if instead of israel it was Russia/North Korea/Iran who was in a similar conflict and hit these many civilian targets that there wouldn't be a similar justification.

You know what sounds fishy, that before the conflict the rockets hamas was firing never hit a school/hospital/park in Gaza. Somehow magically they all started misfiring as soon as the conflict started (and misfired soon after Israeli soldiers were killed).

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Unbelievable how some people will go to any length to defend Israel. I have a feeling that if instead of israel it was Russia/North Korea/Iran who was in a similar conflict and hit these many civilian targets that there wouldn't be a similar justification.

You know what sounds fishy, that before the conflict the rockets hamas was firing never hit a school/hospital/park in Gaza. Somehow magically they all started misfiring as soon as the conflict started (and misfired soon after Israeli soldiers were killed).

Ah, so Hamas did start the whole thing afterall. Glad to know we finally agree on something.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Ah, so Hamas did start the whole thing afterall. Glad to know we finally agree on something.

Nope. Rockets had stopped with fatah/hamas unity government, started after Israel arrested hundreds after teens were killed (later changed story to hamas is responsible to lone cell carried out kidnapping). Before that, the lengthy debate over rockets vs blockade and what causes what.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I would say that it is pretty possible, especially if they blew up right on the launching pads. (Sorry, but someone had to say it).

I find it odd... it's practically a war zone, maybe it's not the best time to take your kids to the park. Sounds fishy, doesn't it?

It's hard to know who to believe when stuff like this happens.

Why not take your kids to the park? They aren't targeting civilians, so it should be the safest place. Obviously safer than a hospital, school, or other military installation that either is hiding rockets, or being hit by misfired rockets.

[Coys1882]

This is probably a simple answer for most people but why did they split up the land the way they did? Why is Gaza all by itself in that little pocket and then another chunk up in the north part? Why not just do a north and south bit and off you go - leave each other alone?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Unbelievable how some people will go to any length to defend Israel. I have a feeling that if instead of israel it was Russia/North Korea/Iran who was in a similar conflict and hit these many civilian targets that there wouldn't be a similar justification.

You know what sounds fishy, that before the conflict the rockets hamas was firing never hit a school/hospital/park in Gaza. Somehow magically they all started misfiring as soon as the conflict started (and misfired soon after Israeli soldiers were killed).

That's not true. There are several cases of misfired weapons hitting civilians in Gaza.

Hamas is also firing far more rockets than usual, so laws of portability dictate more will be misfired. Hamas is also aiming at Israeli soldiers located in Gaza. Their rocket sites have been pushed further into Gaza by the Israeli advance.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Nope. Rockets had stopped with fatah/hamas unity government, started after Israel arrested hundreds after teens were killed (later changed story to hamas is responsible to lone cell carried out kidnapping). Before that, the lengthy debate over rockets vs blockade and what causes what.

The rockets never stopped. They slowed down.

That lone cell theory was also disproved. There is no evidence that orders came from the top if Hamas' command, but that does not mean local Hamas operatives wouldn't have known where the killers were or helped them.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's not true. There are several cases of misfired weapons hitting civilians in Gaza.

Hamas is also firing far more rockets than usual, so laws of portability dictate more will be misfired. Hamas is also aiming at Israeli soldiers located in Gaza. Their rocket sites have been pushed further into Gaza by the Israeli advance.

I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that I know you can't possibly believe most of the things you say, but feel a need to defend Israel no matter how ridiculous the defense may be.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that I know you can't possibly believe most of the things you say, but feel a need to defend Israel no matter how ridiculous the defense may be.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Killing Arab civilians and demolishing random homes to networkdeal with the murder of 3 Israelis (without any investigation by the way) is what makes Israel a pariah state, not antisemitism.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a police matter in most countries, not an excuse to carpet bomb neighborhoods.

The invasion of Gaza was in response to the missiles and later discovered network of tunnels into Israel. That is not a police matter in any country, it's an act of war.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Azure

The tunnels are there for no other purpose than to help continue the cycle of violence.

Strange that you agree that Israel should stop demolishing settlements or taking away land and should even perhaps take an extra step in helping stop the issues at hand, but at the same time you have no problem with Hamas, a terrorist organization whose sole goal is to destroy Israel, digging tunnels to help funnel weapons and innocent Israeli civilians that they kidnap back into Gaza.

I have said several times I don't like Hamas or agree with their terrorist acts.

Saying Hamas has to build tunnels to get in weapons and supplies does not make me agree with Hamas, but I do understand why they build the tunnels and they should continue to build tunnels to get in the supplies they can't get in since they are in an open air prison with all borders closed.

Open the borders and then destroy the tunnels, no problem.

Israel changing many of their policies, many of which I do not agree with, only benefits the people of Palestine. Hamas wants this cycle of violence to continue. They want Israel to keep a closed border, keep blockades, keep fighting the battles of settlements, etc, etc. That is how they keep the Palestinian people helpless, and that is how they remain in power.

Lol do you actually believe that? I bet Hamas would stop firing another bullet let alone a rocket if they destroy all illegal settlements, open borders and give Palestinians their own state.

And here you say that you agree with that cycle of violence. That you agree with the tunnels that Hamas builds. Shame on you for supporting a terrorist organization.

I guess it isn't only Blankall and Nage Waza making up lies to support their biased view.

I do not support Hamas. I support the tunnels they build because ALL borders are closed and it is the only way to get in supplies.

Also funny how Hamas who targets civilians has only managed to kill 3 civilians and 43 Israeli soldiers while Israel has killed more than a thousand people and most have been civilians.