looking for a half-decent clip-on tie

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Ducay

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I know how to tie a simple knot (whatever the basic one is where you wrap the big part of the tie around the smaller part of the tie a couple times, then loop the big part through and pull...I think it's a single Windsor). I've corrected that statement multiple times since the line you quoted, which you could have also quoted if you didn't feel like nitpicking.

I wanted a clip on because I don't enjoy the process of tieing a tie. I fata it up the first few tries every time. Plus, the one knot I know how to do looks super amateur. I think a nice clip-on would take a whole step out of the dressing up for a conformist convention process, which for me would cool.

Any event that requires a tie I would have more fun at if everyone was in shorts and a t-shirt. Sitting at a formal table listening to speeches and watching people get married is brutal. I feel like everybody is an actor playing the role of boring grown-up having boring grown-up conversations listening to other boring grown-ups. Laugh when cued. Don't swear. Be lame.

Give me a garage party, house party, kegger, wing night, whatever, and I'm in my element.

[taco.vidal]

A lot of people just dont seem to care about their appearance. Spend 5 minutes people watching in the +15 at lunch and you quickly come to that conclusion. I can look around my own office which has a business formal dress code and come to the conclusion that some people just dont care. You dont have to shop at Holt or Harry to look put together. I think a lot of guys shop without trying clothes on. Suits that look sizes too big or too small. Pants that are way too short or too long. Then shoes... Shoes that have never seen shoe polish in their lives.

The short sleeve dress shirt and tie combo? I wonder about guys who wear this. Are they oblivious? Do they think that they can pull this look off and the hate of the look is geared to others but not them.

I have good friends who are great guys but it seems that at some point they just gave up caring about their appearance. I have a couple of friends whose wives buy them their clothes and they only get haircuts when their wives pressure them to. I have one friend who got separated from his wife and moved out. He was living on his own for the first time in over a decade. He asked for help in clothes shopping because he said his wife bought him all of his clothes at Costco for the longest time and he wanted to update his look to start dating.

If you have no clue, ask a sales person. Go to the Bay and get a low priced suit and tie that fits properly. You wont be mistaken for a GQ model but you will look sharp. And get decent shoes. Ditch the square toed Aldo special.

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Any event that requires a tie I would have more fun at if everyone was in shorts and a t-shirt. Sitting at a formal table listening to speeches and watching people get married is brutal. I feel like everybody is an actor playing the role of boring grown-up having boring grown-up conversations listening to other boring grown-ups. Laugh when cued. Don't swear. Be lame.

Aren't we saying the same thing about corporate suits at a Flames game? Formal events have their reasons and purposes, and if you are in one you should dress and act the part. Same as when you go to a Flames game, you dress and act the part. I absolutely hate people go to a game and they just don't care (playing with their phone, getting wasted before the puck drops, etc.)

[nik-]

If you respect the person enough to attend their wedding and drink their booze, you should respect them enough to dress like an adult.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

A lot of people just dont seem to care about their appearance. Spend 5 minutes people watching in the +15 at lunch and you quickly come to that conclusion. I can look around my own office which has a business formal dress code and come to the conclusion that some people just dont care. You dont have to shop at Holt or Harry to look put together. I think a lot of guys shop without trying clothes on. Suits that look sizes too big or too small. Pants that are way too short or too long. Then shoes... Shoes that have never seen shoe polish in their lives.

The short sleeve dress shirt and tie combo? I wonder about guys who wear this. Are they oblivious? Do they think that they can pull this look off and the hate of the look is geared to others but not them.

I have good friends who are great guys but it seems that at some point they just gave up caring about their appearance. I have a couple of friends whose wives buy them their clothes and they only get haircuts when their wives pressure them to. I have one friend who got separated from his wife and moved out. He was living on his own for the first time in over a decade. He asked for help in clothes shopping because he said his wife bought him all of his clothes at Costco for the longest time and he wanted to update his look to start dating.

If you have no clue, ask a sales person. Go to the Bay and get a low priced suit and tie that fits properly. You wont be mistaken for a GQ model but you will look sharp. And get decent shoes. Ditch the square toed Aldo special.

Not wanting to dress in a suit and tie for the two formal occasions I attend =/= not caring about your appearance. I work out every day, trim my nose hair, body hair, pluck my eyebrows, keep the back of my neck shaved with a blade every few days, etc. I'm not fashion icon, but could not be mistaken for a slob. Clothes are always clean, nothing I wear has holes them, house is always super clean, cars are always looking brand new, etc.

I think you guys are putting way too much weight on what you perceive to be the "right clothes". I own a business in the Foothills Industrial Park and the clothes you're talking about are just not a part of this world. A golf shirt and tan pants are all you ever need to look sharp around here. Guys who show up at the events I go to wearing suits look absolutely ridiculous.

Where it bites me is on the handful of events I do go to that require me to dress formal. I don't know what's "in" in the formal world and it would be stupid to spend $400 or so on a new suit, shoes, shirt and tie for a three-hour event once or twice year.

The short-sleeve shirt and tie fashion disaster thing is news to me. I'm always hot, so why wouldn't I wear a short-sleeve shirt? It makes no sense that people care about this. I believe you guys and I'm not going to do it anymore, but that doesn't make it any less ######ed that it's a rule.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, that's the last troll accusation I'm willing to accept. Hey kunkstyle, can you please PM me your email address again? I'm going to send you my wedding photo. I #### you guys not, I'm wearing a short-sleeve button up shirt and a tie.

I'm going to level with you. For years you have been creating threads with controversial subject matter, and every time you hold a totally bizarre and contrarian position. I only label you a troll because you are so consistent over such a long period of time. It does not compute that a real person could possess a mindset and collection of opinions and values that your character seems to; you're literally a walking sitcom character. I apologize if I've offended you, perhaps we should be looking into getting you a reality show for TLCs fall line up.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Make a snowman, tie his scarf, then stick his carrot nose on. I've never had a tough time with a figure 8 after that little rhyme.

I don't think you know what a rhyme is.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I don't think you know what a rhyme is.

Ditty? Verse? I didn't really know what else to call it. Wasn't really expecting to be called out on semantics for that.

[Read Only]

Wearing a tie/suit is awful and the whole "dress like an adult" BS is tiresome but going for a clip on tie seems a little extreme.

I don't like ties and so I don't wear them. There is no event I have ever been to where me wearing a tie would effect anyone's enjoyment of said event and if there was one (can't think of one) I would gladly skip it.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I'm going to level with you. For years you have been creating threads with controversial subject matter, and every time you hold a totally bizarre and contrarian position. I only label you a troll because you are so consistent over such a long period of time. It does not compute that a real person could possess a mindset and collection of opinions and values that your character seems to; you're literally a walking sitcom character. I apologize if I've offended you, perhaps we should be looking into getting you a reality show for TLCs fall line up.

Sounds like Larry David's character from Curb Your Enthusiasm.....

[Zevo]

Sliver is good at what he does, I'll give him that.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think you guys are putting way too much weight on what you perceive to be the "right clothes". I own a business in the Foothills Industrial Park and the clothes you're talking about are just not a part of this world. A golf shirt and tan pants are all you ever need to look sharp around here. Guys who show up at the events I go to wearing suits look absolutely ridiculous.



Where it bites me is on the handful of events I do go to that require me to dress formal. I don't know what's "in" in the formal world and it would be stupid to spend $400 or so on a new suit, shoes, shirt and tie for a three-hour event once or twice year.

I apologise in advance for the long post, and if by chance you're just pulling one over as some are saying, then maybe someone else can use this advice lol.

Perhaps I could chime in and give you a bit of advice that may be more helpful than the "you're doing it wrong" advice you've been given. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with what you want to wear. There are those who will go on endlessly about faux pas and what not to do (and indeed, there are certain rules to follow), but what matters most in a general sense is how you feel and the effort you put in. You want to be comfortable, but you should always dress for the event. If your comment about people wearing suits to most events in your circle and sticking out is true, then it would be silly to wear a suit to these events. For parties, semi-formal gatherings, and that sort of thing, your outfit is fine. In North America especially, people understand rules, but generally not how to put them into practice. You can follow all the major rules and still look like a slob, while you can also follow none of the rules, and look amazing.

At home, people are very fashion conscious, but always very conscious of function. If you're going to wear a short sleeve button-up because you get hot that would make complete sense, but put effort into ensuring you get a fitted cut, and that your color combinations work well together. There is no reason what you want to wear cannot be fashionable, so long as you put effort into whatever it is you WANT to wear. Would I wear a clip-on? No, but that is because I know how to tie a tie and I'm not bothered by it. Do what works for you. It's silly, however, to look for a really "great" looking clip-on. They are sold at places like Wal-Mart, La Chateau, and Sears for good reason. Reputable designers do not make clip-on ties, so accept that you will have to settle. Though, to be honest, you could be served just as well wearing no tie at all.

Finally: When attending an event like a wedding, just put effort into your outfit. You are a guest, present yourself as such. Weddings are not opportunities for you to make a bold statement or push anti-conformity fashion choices into the spot light, it's about two people that invited you to their event. That said, you can wear what you want to wear, but wear it well. Don't pick something just because it's comfortable, or just because you don't want to put effort in. Put effort in, or don't go. Weddings are not about you, so dress as the occasion calls.

Here are some pictures that can give you examples of dressing how you like, but wearing it well, all wedding appropriate:

Spoiler!

And finally, if you ever do want a suit as an option (something I would always recommend) then this suit is the only one you'll ever need, and unless you lose or gain significant weight, it may very well last you the rest of your life at a wear or two per year:

Spoiler!

Just remember, it is not a list of rules that make your outfit, it is the effort you put in. Wear whatever you like, but for events like a wedding, put effort in to show you care. I promise, even in a short-sleeve and a clip-on, you'll look great.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by nik-

If you respect the person enough to attend their wedding and drink their booze, you should respect them enough to dress like an adult.

Woah woah woah woah woah… woah. Drink their booze? We gotta pay for out own out here! Someone owes me beer!

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

I apologise in advance for the long post, and if by chance you're just pulling one over as some are saying, then maybe someone else can use this advice lol.

Perhaps I could chime in and give you a bit of advice that may be more helpful than the "you're doing it wrong" advice you've been given. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with what you want to wear. There are those who will go on endlessly about faux pas and what not to do (and indeed, there are certain rules to follow), but what matters most in a general sense is how you feel and the effort you put in. You want to be comfortable, but you should always dress for the event. If your comment about people wearing suits to most events in your circle and sticking out is true, then it would be silly to wear a suit to these events. For parties, semi-formal gatherings, and that sort of thing, your outfit is fine. In North America especially, people understand rules, but generally not how to put them into practice. You can follow all the major rules and still look like a slob, while you can also follow none of the rules, and look amazing.

At home, people are very fashion conscious, but always very conscious of function. If you're going to wear a short sleeve button-up because you get hot that would make complete sense, but put effort into ensuring you get a fitted cut, and that your color combinations work well together. There is no reason what you want to wear cannot be fashionable, so long as you put effort into whatever it is you WANT to wear. Would I wear a clip-on? No, but that is because I know how to tie a tie and I'm not bothered by it. Do what works for you. It's silly, however, to look for a really "great" looking clip-on. They are sold at places like Wal-Mart, La Chateau, and Sears for good reason. Reputable designers do not make clip-on ties, so accept that you will have to settle. Though, to be honest, you could be served just as well wearing no tie at all.

Finally: When attending an event like a wedding, just put effort into your outfit. You are a guest, present yourself as such. Weddings are not opportunities for you to make a bold statement or push anti-conformity fashion choices into the spot light, it's about two people that invited you to their event. That said, you can wear what you want to wear, but wear it well. Don't pick something just because it's comfortable, or just because you don't want to put effort in. Put effort in, or don't go. Weddings are not about you, so dress as the occasion calls.

Here are some pictures that can give you examples of dressing how you like, but wearing it well, all wedding appropriate:

Spoiler!

And finally, if you ever do want a suit as an option (something I would always recommend) then this suit is the only one you'll ever need, and unless you lose or gain significant weight, it may very well last you the rest of your life at a wear or two per year:

Spoiler!

Just remember, it is not a list of rules that make your outfit, it is the effort you put in. Wear whatever you like, but for events like a wedding, put effort in to show you care. I promise, even in a short-sleeve and a clip-on, you'll look great.

That's a great post, Chill. Thanks a lot.

I think I'll pick up a custom fit short sleeve shirt for summer-type hot events. I won't wear a tie, though. Of that I'm convinced.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Make a snowman, tie his scarf, then stick his carrot nose on. I've never had a tough time with a figure 8 after that little rhyme.

That's funny. My son was in sailing camp, and they taught it as: make a snowman, put his scarf on, and poke him in the eye. I guess carrot nose is less violent.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I'm going to level with you. For years you have been creating threads with controversial subject matter, and every time you hold a totally bizarre and contrarian position. I only label you a troll because you are so consistent over such a long period of time. It does not compute that a real person could possess a mindset and collection of opinions and values that your character seems to; you're literally a walking sitcom character. I apologize if I've offended you, perhaps we should be looking into getting you a reality show for TLCs fall line up.

You haven't offended me, but I just find it strange that I can always prove I'm not trolling, yet I still get accused of being a troll. I mean, sending my wedding photo to a guy I've only met once to settle an Internet argument is pretty weird/extreme, but I don't like being accused of being dishonest because I'm a really honest person. I wouldn't want to jeopardize my reputation on here by telling lies.

[afc wimbledon]

If you can't be arsed to put on a suit and tie your not really much of a friend or family member, just man the eff up and tell the happy couple you don't care about them enough to spend 15 seconds putting on a tie therefore you shouldn't be at the wedding in the first place, they'll probably never talk to you again, but then look on the bright side, it will give you and the wife way more time in the basement playing Warcraft.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you can't be arsed to put on a suit and tie your not really much of a friend or family member, just man the eff up and tell the happy couple you don't care about them enough to spend 15 seconds putting on a tie therefore you shouldn't be at the wedding in the first place, they'll probably never talk to you again, but then look on the bright side, it will give you and the wife way more time in the basement playing Warcraft.

Well, I would certainly say that to you if invited to your wedding. Fortunately, well-adjusted people don't equate their friends not wanting to wear a suit to "not manning the eff up" "not caring about them" and not being "arsed" (whatever that means). Leave it with me, AFC, I think I'll be okay.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, that's the last troll accusation I'm willing to accept. Hey kunkstyle, can you please PM me your email address again? I'm going to send you my wedding photo. I #### you guys not, I'm wearing a short-sleeve button up shirt and a tie.

For someone who posted this just over a month ago, you're sure getting awfully indignant here.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...0&postcount=31

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think arguing extremes (or watching extremes be argued) can be really fun, so I guess it depends on what you come to a forum for. If you come here for straight up fact-based, buttoned-down, civil discussions, then I can see why a troll would bother you. If you come here mainly for entertainment and enjoy a bit of craziness, trolls can add to your experience on a forum.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well, I would certainly say that to you if invited to your wedding. Fortunately, well-adjusted people don't equate their friends not wanting to wear a suit to "not manning the eff up" "not caring about them" and not being "arsed" (whatever that means). Leave it with me, AFC, I think I'll be okay.

You probably think you'll be ok Sliver, but if you lack the recognition that what you want or like at someone else's wedding is irrelevant you won't be ok.
You lack basic functional empathy.