I think we have bounced back and force on this before.
But are you for a carte blanche legalization of all current "illegal" drugs?
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Going back my question was poorly worded.
I guess a better way to ask it:
Are you for the legalization of current "illegal" drugs, with restrictions placed upon the purchase/use of those drugs. For arguments sake, restrictions that are similiar to are like those currently on alcohol.
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Is it a more powerful addition than other addicitions?
Is there a scale of addiction strenght?
Honest question
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I might be wrong, but I think he is say, that the drug industry is always looking for the next big product to bring to market.
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With respect, 2 Pucklucks disagree....
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Actually, Doc, I am thinking about the topic before commenting.........give it a try sometime.
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That's why this is your 6th post in the thread
Questions, they are used to seek information, which allows for an informed decision.
Yep, puckluck the monster for not wanting to legalize meth and heroine.
And you were complaining about hyperbole...
I never said you were a monster, I insinuated you were ignorant and/or poorly educated. And I wasn't the one complaining about hyperbole. Try to keep up.
Yep, puckluck the monster for not wanting to legalize meth and heroine.
And you were complaining about hyperbole...
Do you even understand what "harm reduction" means and how it differs from legalization? Either educate yourself on the topic at hand or bow out of the conversation and let the grown ups talk.
I never said you were a monster, I insinuated you were ignorant and/or poorly educated. And I wasn't the one complaining about hyperbole. Try to keep up.
I am educated at the college level and you are pretty ignorant thinking anyone who has an education is for legalization of hard drugs.
And the Cartels will do just fine. They'll sell more to other countries and still run the criminal networks in North America and move on to other illegal activities and will still be as dangerous or they'll sell drugs cheaper than the government can.
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As evidenced by the booming underground liquor and tobacco market, right?
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I always love the "Tax the crap out of it" remark you always hear from people who begrudgingly agree that it's time to legalize. It's like their way of "getting back at those damn tokers who are likely soon going to get their way".
No, you don't tax the crap out of it, you tax it appropriately, and make sure the costs are competitive, after tax with street prices or everyone will just buy it illegally.
rubecube, you thanked flameswin's post, but disagreed with puckluck2's post asserting the cartels would still thrive by selling cheaper than the government, referencing alcohol and tobacco.
If the government presented a (potentially) safer, more expensive, and less potent alternative, would the underground market remain relevant or would it go the way of alcohol and tobacco?
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Yet again, legalization does mean anyone can walk into any store and buy whatever they want. There would be restrictions and those restrictions would change depending on the situation. Hell, there are restrictions on liquor and cigarettes in the form of age ID. Do you honestly think it would be that easy to get legalized methamphetamine? Not in a million years. However, pure meth (have you seen how most meth is synthesized? It's mostly not like on Breaking Bad - you can make it in a pop bottle in one pot and it is disgustingly impure) could be administered like any other medication in a controlled environment as a means to help curb addictions.
Maybe I'm being unfair to puckluck. He says he's college educated and informed on the subject, so I'm assuming he must have links to studies or articles that demonstrate the levels of addiction caused by legalizing and decriminalizing hard drugs. Possibly something that examines the Danish, Dutch, or Portuguese models?
rubecube, you thanked flameswin's post, but disagreed with puckluck2's post asserting the cartels would still thrive by selling cheaper than the government, referencing alcohol and tobacco.
If the government presented a (potentially) safer, more expensive, and less potent alternative, would the underground market remain relevant or would it go the way of alcohol and tobacco?
I just thank flameswin's posts because I think he's a swell guy.
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Nobody in this thread is suggesting that cocaine (or meth or heroin) be legalized and sold by the government. Don't confuse that with the proposed legalization of marijuana. What we're proposing is that rather than spending billions of taxpayer dollars each year on the war on drugs (targeting the supply side of illicit substances), we instead spend a small fraction of that amount on harm reduction strategies that will improve the health and well-being of hard drug users with the ultimate goal of helping them beat their addiction (targeting the demand side of illicit substances).
I'm fine with legalizing Cocaine.
Coke is a lot closer to MDMA, Booze and Smokes then to the other two you mentioned.
There is a significant difference between Cocaine and the otehr two drugs you grouped with it. You should people watch next time you go to a bar. Blow is every where and most people handle it fine.
You're kidding yourself if you think people "handle" cocaine just fine.
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