Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by fotze

I assume he had some bipolar tendencies before that (otherwise how would they attribute it)?

It turned out that he was diagnosed as bi-polar but nobody knew, he kept it private. And it also turns out that they have two distinctions of bi-polar disorder. One is relatively mild bi-polar, which is what my friend had and the other is severe bi-polar. All that to say is that the distinction between mild and severe is pretty gray and that all it took was one event and he was dead, so pretty mild...

edit: And it's not surprising he kept it private judging by some of the peoples' attitudes to mental illness in this very thread.

[Royle9]

Never knew we had so many doctors on CP... I think we should all maybe take a step back and let the real professionals diagnose this individual. The arguing/bantering whatever you want to call it has gone a little far in some of these posts its pretty embarrassing.

Heartless tragedy, lets leave it at that.
I'm sorry for all of those affected.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It turned out that he was diagnosed as bi-polar but nobody knew, he kept it private. And it also turns out that they have two distinctions of bi-polar disorder. One is relatively mild bi-polar, which is what my friend had and the other is severe bi-polar. All that to say is that the distinction between mild and severe is pretty gray and that all it took was one event and he was dead, so pretty mild...

edit: And it's not surprising he kept it private judging by some of the peoples' attitudes to mental illness in this very thread.

I have a friend who is bipolar. Especially if he drank, he was an emotional rollercoaster and hard to handle. There were times I thought he would hurt himself or hurt someone else if they said the wrong thing. I was always the friend that got him out of the situation and he would spend the next few days apologizing profusely. It was emotionally draining just as his friend to deal with, whether he was drunk or even sober. I was constantly defending him and putting myself in the line of fire just to diffuse the situation because I knew he had health issues, but nobody else did.

I'm glad it's in the open now, because I don't need to share the burden of protecting him at every turn anymore. That, and he's owned it and recognizes that he needed help and doesn't put himself in situations where it could turn bad anymore.

While it's difficult to judge Matthew's state of mind or condition, I definitely can understand what it would be like if he was bipolar, and what it would be like to try to contain someone like that. Another poster made a comment prior, along the lines of he wasn't trying to hide after. I agree with this, as my experience dealing with my friend after an episode (in no way am I comparing what happened with this, it's just a reference to dealing with someone who is bipolar), is that he would be extremely remorseful and in shock over what he had done.

There was an article last night in the Herald talking about how attendees at the party were too shocked to try to defend themselves or others. When someone who is bipolar (and I'm not saying this is what happened whatsoever) snaps, it takes a tremendous amount of energy and the right person to mitigate. If this was the case, and especially being armed with a knife, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him.

Either way, I'm just speaking from my experience, and as I stated before, senseless tragedy and I feel terrible for everybody involved.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by manwiches

There was an article last night in the Herald talking about how attendees at the party were too shocked to try to defend themselves or others. When someone who is bipolar (and I'm not saying this is what happened whatsoever) snaps, it takes a tremendous amount of energy and the right person to mitigate. If this was the case, and especially being armed with a knife, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him.

If true, this is what I said earlier in the thread but was rebutted about the freezing, or "shock" reaction. If something that can't be believed begins happening, like someone you know and trust (ergo, an invited party guest) starts stabbing friends out of the blue, the body/mind needs time to process, and thus, your ability to defend is lowered, especially when an attack can happen so quickly. The mind cannot rationalize that this is happening, and in the process, you're not sure how to react. I'm sure some people took off but obviously not everyone.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If true, this is what I said earlier in the thread but was rebutted about the freezing, or "shock" reaction. If something that can't be believed begins happening, like someone you know and trust (ergo, an invited party guest) starts stabbing friends out of the blue, the body/mind needs time to process, and thus, your ability to defend is lowered, especially when an attack can happen so quickly. The mind cannot rationalize that this is happening, and in the process, you're not sure how to react. I'm sure some people took off but obviously not everyone.

Sorry, I should clarify, the article said some 'MAY' have been too shocked. I would think everybody's response times to register the gravity of the situation would be different. I can't imagine what I would do in that situation, and I hope to never have to.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Sounds like he was definitely having some mental issues at the time.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/cr...684/story.html

There are some real oddities in that story -

"Then on that night, those texts (Matt) sent made them really concerned about his own personal safety, but nothing to indicate that he was a danger to anyone. Not ever. There was no indication that he was in the frame of mind that he would harm anybody," said the officer.

How can the officer possibly know this? If a person is acting off you assume they are a risk of harming themselves and others. I can't believe a police officer would make such a statement.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by zamler

There are some real oddities in that story -

How can the officer possibly know this? If a person is acting off you assume they are a risk of harming themselves and others. I can't believe a police officer would make such a statement.

Pretty sure the parents gave a statement and the officer was relaying their information.

[PsYcNeT]

People here need to take a psychology class jesus.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by fotze

No you don't.

You absolutely do. If a person is acting off, then you assume they are capable of bad things. Not just certain bad things.

According to news reports, when Justice of the Peace Scott Morgan asked the suspect, "Mr. de Grood, do you understand the charges," de Grood answered: "Um, no comment."
"I just need to know if you understand what you've been charged with," said Morgan after he read out the names of the five victims.
"I'm not sure," answered de Grood, who has since been moved to the Southern Alberta
Forensic Psychiatry Centre - a secure psychiatric facility in northwest Calgary pending a court appearance next week.

This is really odd to me as well. He say "no comment" then says he's not sure?

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

People here need to take a psychology class jesus.

That would probably make it worse. So many people condemn anti-vaccination advocates for faulty logic, but then apply faulty logic in other areas. I'd rather see everyone take a logic course with a focus on constructing arguments.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

That would probably make it worse. So many people condemn anti-vaccination advocates for faulty logic, but then apply faulty logic in other areas. I'd rather see everyone take a logic course with a focus on constructing arguments.

Critical thinking should absolutely be taught in High Schools, but it would a pretty difficult course to construct.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I know. It's pretty scary with all these stabbing stuff. Back then when you have a beef with someone, you either talk, yelling at each other or fist fight amongst each other. Is the alcohol content that high these days and add up drugs.

Actually I heard this guy was invited at the party. He came straight from work at Crowfoot Safeway then when he gets to the party he grabbed a knife and started stabbing people. I am not sure how accurate the story is but definitely it is a pre-meditated killing. He knew his target but the question is, are all those 5 people his target or 1 or 2 and the others was just trying to stop him or talking him into stopping to do something stupid? I feel for the parents and siblings of the dead. I also feel for the killer's parent trying to figure what pushed their son to do this heinous crime.

That first phrase has so much useful anecdotal evidence. I'm sure you have statistics to back it up too. By the way, this was not the type of 'house party' where people get rowdy. That's part of the craziness of all of this, is that this was late at night at a party that was quiet the entire night. Most of it was people sitting around a fire, or in the house, etc. Not Animal House.

I do think people get super drunk these days, but I'm not sure you or I have statistics to determine just -how- drunk people get. On top of that, the person who did the killing was sober. Honestly I feel this is just re-hashing stuff that you could've already had read and explained in this thread.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Critical thinking should absolutely be taught in High Schools, but it would a pretty difficult course to construct.

Perhaps it could be included in the CALM course.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Kelekin

By the way, this was not the type of 'house party' where people get rowdy. That's part of the craziness of all of this, is that this was late at night at a party that was quiet the entire night. Most of it was people sitting around a fire, or in the house, etc. Not Animal House.

That's how things always were at 11. Even though I often saw people coming and going, I don't ever remember things being loud or out of control. Nothing like that. Never really noticed what was going on in that house outside of seeing cars come and go.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Critical thinking should absolutely be taught in High Schools, but it would a pretty difficult course to construct.

This. Thank you.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by zamler

That's how things always were at 11. Even though I often saw people coming and going, I don't ever remember things being loud or out of control. Nothing like that. Never really noticed what was going on in that house outside of seeing cars come and go.

Yeah, I've had many friends live there or party there and there is never any 'craziness' or 'rowdiness'.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by fotze

You better tell your friends that the cops might show up at the door if they have had a bad day.

Having a bad day? That's not what the observation was at all. Did you read the article? The fear was Matt might be suicidal, they were "desperate" to find him.

I see people "off" all the time. Wife is "off" at least twice a week. I imagine a 22 year old university student is "off" pretty much perpetually. Girls when they hit 13 are off until they are 22.

It is weird after things like this certain people are immediately burdened with this massive of weight of blame that they just need to unload on someone. Its like there is a truckload of blame resting on their shoulders and they need to get rid of it. Its the Nancy Grace phenomena.

And in your observations of these people, were you extremely afraid they might kill themselves to the point where you felt compelled to track them down before something bad happened? Also the bolded, really?

Originally Posted by Kelekin

Yeah, I've had many friends live there or party there and there is never any 'craziness' or 'rowdiness'.

Was by far the quietest rental around here. Well maybe not, but there are several other rentals that you do notice, the noise and the mess that is left behind.

[iggyformayor]

Came home last night to my wife bawling on the couch because she found out she actually knew one of the victims, and that she used to work with someone who actually lives there and was there when this happened. I actually used to work with her as well... You hear about things like this happening and it can be hard to comprehend, but when you realize that someone you actually know is involved it hits an entirely new level.... I feel so horrible for the victims and their families and friends. I can't imagine what they must be going through...

[strombad]

Originally Posted by zamler

There are some real oddities in that story -

How can the officer possibly know this? If a person is acting off you assume they are a risk of harming themselves and others. I can't believe a police officer would make such a statement.

What's your interest is constantly dismissing anything that does not perpetually demonize Matt and paint him as a cold blooded killer with express intent? Just curious, because you seem to argue against anything that's paints this as unexpected or out of character, so I'm just wondering what the motive is in that.

[1stLand]

Thank god Canada has good gun control otherwise this tragedy could have been much worse.