Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by dino7c

guys get off drunk driving charges all the time because their lawyers find some loophole...same thing with some dumb ass "friend" of mine who was busted

not sure how anyone can think it doesn't happen

Stretching the truth and legal "loopholes" or, you know, the law, are completely different things.

My point here is that people are acting like because he's going for a psych evaluation he's going to be found ncr, throw him keys to his car and tell him to enjoy law school. It's so much more complicated than that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Stretching the truth and legal "loopholes" or, you know, the law, are completely different things.

My point here is that people are acting like because he's going for a psych evaluation he's going to be found ncr, throw him keys to his car and tell him to enjoy law school. It's so much more complicated than that.

not acting like that at all, this is a high profile case the guy will not be walking around in free society for a long time. I was just commenting on what his lawyer will try and do

[strombad]

Originally Posted by dino7c

95% of my posts are responses to people quoting me, what "its about" is discussing the tragedy and everything that goes along with it. I am free to post here as are you

I have yet to criticize anyone personally

You've criticised multiple posters, told me how I should be posting, been condescending multiple times, and been needlessly defensive which has served only to draw attention to yourself, all I've which I've noted below:

Originally Posted by dino7c

Strombad do you just thank everyone who posts something negative against me?

Originally Posted by dino7c

when you start a reply with LOL! you are on your high horse

Originally Posted by dino7c

some of these guys are just on their high horses, pretty sure he didn't even read

Originally Posted by dino7c

Some seem to be bending over backwards to defend this guy and riding on their high horse... everyone is so PC these days yet society is going down the ####ter

Originally Posted by dino7c

be a little more careful with what you post directly after quoting somebody

Originally Posted by dino7c

he posted it right under my quote...should be a little more careful not feeling sorry is a far cry from death and torture.

As I said, this shouldn't be about you, but you seem intent on drawing the attention towards you. This is the last time I'll address you directly as I feel you're more interested in fighting and attention than paying respect to the situation. I'm all for spirited and respectful debate born from this situation, but not for that. Enjoy your night.

[zamler]

Did you really have to post all that? dino7c is a bad person, you win congrats.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by zamler

Did you really have to post all that? dino7c is a bad person, you win congrats.

And everyone gets that you think Matt is a cold bolded killer undeserving of sympathy. Point noted. Thanks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by strombad

You've criticised multiple posters, told me how I should be posting, been condescending multiple times, and been needlessly defensive which has served only to draw attention to yourself, all I've which I've noted below:














As I said, this shouldn't be about you, but you seem intent on drawing the attention towards you. This is the last time I'll address you directly as I feel you're more interested in fighting and attention than paying respect to the situation. I'm all for spirited and respectful debate born from this situation, but not for that. Enjoy your night.

really? really? and I'm trying to start a fight wow, no words...this isn't "about you" either and like I said 95% of my posts are responses to people who have quoted me

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by strombad

And everyone gets that you think Matt is a cold bolded killer undeserving of sympathy. Point noted. Thanks.

despicable post

[zamler]

Originally Posted by strombad

And everyone gets that you think Matt is a cold bolded killer undeserving of sympathy. Point noted. Thanks.

Genuine sympathy requires several fundamental things. One needs to feel a person is vulnerable, in need, in distress. I feel this strongly for the victims and families, it can even be overwhelming (don't forget I live 3 doors from where this happened). I can't even comprehend what it's like for people directly affected by this.

Now for me to feel sympathy for Matt, right now I just can't. He violently took away the lives of 5 people and devastated the lives of the ones they left behind. Will I ever feel sympathy? Yes, but in a relative sense not much, that equity has been almost completely spent because of what he did.

Is that clear enough for you?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It might be time for some people to step back here and evaluate their own expertise in mental health issues, the justice system, and the direction of humanity in general.

Well, I know the Justice system is well represented in this argument right now. I don't think some of these 1337 intertron psychologists realize they are arguing with a lawyer. And I am just waiting for one of them to slip up, and get called out for the massive BS they are spewing.

I certainly have my opinions on this whole thing, but there are two things that stick out in my mind as to why I don't want to be involved in this debate, nor make them known.

A) I may not be the brightest crayon in the box, but I am smart enough to realize how inappropriate some of the comments are considering there are numerous posters in this thread that are connected to the people on both sides of this tragedy.

B) Previous debates on these types of topics have taught me my opinions may actually be wrong, and they will add nothing to the debate, except for a bunch of digital diarrhea, which there already seems to be a massive abundance of in this thread thanks to a couple posters.

How about every one quit speculation, theories, and put away your season 6 CSI Miami box sets, and let this thing play out. It is too close to home for many members for this thread to have evolved the way it has.

There are way too many posts that are based on raw emotion right now, not the facts. And it is really making a lot of people look ignorant.

[Kelekin]

I know I am reserving sympathy until we hear full details when they inevitably are divulged. I lost a friend but I don't know what happened and who am I to sit at my desk and pass judgment on anyone? That's what the legal system is for, as broken as it is. We already know he killed them, why harp on about it? People have every right to feel how they want to feel, but I hope they understand that no one actually gives a #### how you feel. This is a sea of worthless opinions but we all want to express how we feel deep down about the tragedy. How you feel does not affect the outcome. It is honestly amazing how much bickering and squabbling there is when in truth, we all believe in the universal reality that this was a horrible, horrible event in our amazing city.

In other news, since I'm up at 5 AM, I wrote a angry letterto the reporter who contacted me twice yesterday (Kelly Cryderman of Globe & Mail):

"I think it was extremely inappropriate to mention to me on your 2nd call that you had a "deadline". The truth is people that are grieving really don't care about your deadlines and it was a comment that lacked compassion and consideration and I was taken aback by it. Most of us had only learned at 9pm the night prior what had happened. I certainly hope such a terrible tragedy never occurs again, but if it does, and you need to report on it, I think these are some things to consider. I am a very reasonable person but the deadline comment just irked me and I needed you to know how unprofessional it was."

I still feel I took the high road on it.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

It reaffirms my belief that there is no hope for humanity or society

Funny, I could say the same thing about your posts.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The fact he fled the scene is a strong argument against mental illness being involved in this. That tells me he was fully aware of the consequences that his actions entailed. Why else would he flee? Guilty people don't want to get caught after all. Vince Li is different because he committed his act, and then proceeded to ramp up the insanity. De Grood slaughtered his victims and ran. Very key difference in my opinion. One seems totally irrational and the other did the complete rational thing anyone would do after killing 5 people.

I think the reason for the strong reactions is Vince Li. He will get to be in society again at some point. I think people are worried the exact same thing will happen here, the eventually De Grood will be deemed not crazy and might actually rejoin society, even in a small way. I think the vast majority of people find that to be totally unacceptable. If this is mental illness, then fine so be it. But he should never, ever, get to be a part of society again. Locked up forever, in an institution or prison, should be the only options here.

[SeeGeeWhy]

From everything that has been written, we have lost six brilliant, beautiful and promising young people from our city. What an unspeakable tragedy.

I share the urge to find out why this happened so we could possibly figure out how to prevent something like this from ever happening again but I don't think it will be possible.

There are several people in this thread that are taking things way too personally and are completely off point going back and forth with each other. I suggest that you either take it to PM and hash it out or that pride be swallowed for a little while and STFU.

[irrevocable]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The fact he fled the scene is a strong argument against mental illness being involved in this. That tells me he was fully aware of the consequences that his actions entailed.

..No.

[manwiches]

I'm echoing the sentiments of a few posters here, but all the thoughtful comments have been lost in the comments of a handful sizing each other up. This thread has become a proverbial d*ck measuring contest. Stop it, and show some respect for what has happened. Make insightful and respectful comments, in light of the gravity of the situation and for those involved, especially for those who are posters here.

[Nyah]

That evening, Doug and (his wife) Susan got some text messages from Matt that were really disjointed, really confusing and they caused them to think, 'Oh, my goodness, he's going to commit suicide.' They were really worried, so Doug went looking for him and was worried sick that he was going to find him dead. Susan called in a concern to the police - an alert. And then they got the terrible news that this had happened," says the officer, who spoke only on the condition that he not be identified

Sounds like he was definitely having some mental issues at the time.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/cr...684/story.html

[Tinordi]

My completely unexpert opinion:

This could have been a bipolar event. They are serious and can have devastating effects to which many people who suffer from bipolar disorder have little control over.

I had a great long-time friend that was really funny, normal, and just a generally great guy. He went from funny, normal friend over an evening of beers out with friends to dead half an hour later, killing himself from a bipolar episode. Nobody saw it coming.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The fact he fled the scene is a strong argument against mental illness being involved in this. That tells me he was fully aware of the consequences that his actions entailed.

Where do we start?

Painting "mental illness" as one disease? Check
Implying "mental illness" involves loss of coherence? Check

All you didn't do was call him a "tard" or mention that schizophrenia involves having multiple personalities and you would have completed the ignorance trifecta.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The fact he fled the scene is a strong argument against mental illness being involved in this. That tells me he was fully aware of the consequences that his actions entailed. Why else would he flee? Guilty people don't want to get caught after all. Vince Li is different because he committed his act, and then proceeded to ramp up the insanity. De Grood slaughtered his victims and ran. Very key difference in my opinion. One seems totally irrational and the other did the complete rational thing anyone would do after killing 5 people.

I am not too sure about how I feel about this comment. Yes, he ran away but it doesn't seem like he had a mastermind plan to run away. The guy was found by the nearest intersection just a short while after the act. Most people who commit such an act and run away are at least somewhat difficult to find. It took a few days to find the guy involved with the Boston marathon last year. I am not too sure being found near a busy intersection is truly a "planned escape"

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Muta

Very tragic. Some idiot made a short-term decision that will cost him the rest of his life, and has undoubtedly crushed several families and dozens and dozens of family members in the process.

Man, parties these days are way more unstable than when I used to go to house parties (98-05)... why are people so angry? Why the increase in violence?

I know. It's pretty scary with all these stabbing stuff. Back then when you have a beef with someone, you either talk, yelling at each other or fist fight amongst each other. Is the alcohol content that high these days and add up drugs.

Actually I heard this guy was invited at the party. He came straight from work at Crowfoot Safeway then when he gets to the party he grabbed a knife and started stabbing people. I am not sure how accurate the story is but definitely it is a pre-meditated killing. He knew his target but the question is, are all those 5 people his target or 1 or 2 and the others was just trying to stop him or talking him into stopping to do something stupid? I feel for the parents and siblings of the dead. I also feel for the killer's parent trying to figure what pushed their son to do this heinous crime.